darth_ender said:
walkingdork said:
darth_ender said:
Well, much as I enjoy this debate, I don't think I'm going to argue with you if you think that a perfectly fair analogy is crazy without providing any rational reason. You don't have to like it, but both were/are legal, and yet some people saw/see such as acceptable while others saw/see such as unacceptable. Nothing crazy about that. But I think I'm done defending definitions since I feel like I am continually taken out of context (not just by you, mind you).
Comparing the legality of abortion to the legality of genocide during Nazi Germany is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever heard of. So no, I will not be offering much "rational reason" for saying an analogy is crazy.
It is because of this statement that I am sure you don't understand what I'm talking about.
I am not equating the two at all, except in the misuse of the word 'murder'. I am not calling abortion doctors Hitlers and Himmlers. I am not calling women who get abortions genocidal or even infanticidal. I am not declaring that the 40 million annual pre-birth killings are the same as the 6 million WWII Jewish killings. I am simply saying that C3PS said abortion cannot be murder because murder is, by definition, killing illegally. In Nazi Germany, killing Jews was not illegal killing, and therefore was not murder, according to the official definition (at least not illegal in Nazi Germany). To Warbler's (and my) sentiments, killing someone can still be morally wrong, even if it is not illegal. Therefore, according to Warbler's definition, just because abortions are legal, that doesn't make them morally right. Much of this country and the world agrees with him. Even more of the country and world would agree that just because killing Jews in Germany was legal, it wasn't right.
We are not saying they are the same! We are not comparing the nature of the acts. We are merely pointing out that just because it is legal doesn't mean that it is right. Don't get so caught up in the popular "Oh, someone compared something to Nazis so I won't even consider the nature of the argument" fad. We are not comparing anyone to Nazis. We are drawing a rather tangential parallel.
I realize that you are not comparing the acts of abortion to genocide. That would beyond stupid.
C3PS's saying that murder is illegal killing may not be an acceptable answer but saying that Jews killed in the Holocaust were not technically murdered in Nazi eyes by the same definition is just ridiculous. They were crimes against humanity and war crimes. Most of what happened during the Holocaust was behind closed doors and most Germans didn't even know what was happening.
Ridiculous analogy.