Warbler said:
walkingdork said:
darth_ender said:
Well, much as I enjoy this debate, I don't think I'm going to argue with you if you think that a perfectly fair analogy is crazy without providing any rational reason. You don't have to like it, but both were/are legal, and yet some people saw/see such as acceptable while others saw/see such as unacceptable. Nothing crazy about that. But I think I'm done defending definitions since I feel like I am continually taken out of context (not just by you, mind you).
Comparing the legality of abortion to the legality of genocide during Nazi Germany is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever heard of. So no, I will not be offering much "rational reason" for saying an analogy is crazy.
why was it crazy? C3PS argued that since abortion is legal and socially acceptable, I was silly for "getting my panties tangled up" over it. In Germany, at the time, the Holocaust was also deemed legal and socially acceptable(at least for some Germans, I realize some Germans opposed all the stuff Hitler was doing). The comparison seems very logical to me.
America is nothing like Nazi Germany. Abortion is nothing like genocide. What is the question here?
walkingdork said:
Sorry if I'm coming off as snotty. Not my intention.
I know, I just think you need to step back and realize how ridiculous this conversation has become. This is beyond semantics.
no, I think you need to step back and realize how snotty you are coming off.
meh
walkingdork said:
EDIT: As for the Bible, I'm not sure if you mean in reference to abortions or just using the term at all. Frankly, I'm not sure...but searching on the BibleGateway, it appears that the term murderer is used a few times in the KJV, but not just plain murder. As for the NIV, it gets a bit more usage as both murderer and murder.
Now doing a little research and wasting valuable study time yields some interesting biblical arguments regarding abortion. One site gave some extremely bizarre and stretched interpretations justifying abortion from the Bible. Only a few citations could be considered truly worthy of further examination and rebuttal. However, several other citations support the notion of preserving life. I'd be interested in discussing that topic further, but I can't get on this site anymore today--too much to do.
some dude in the bible shot one off (ejaculated) into the ground and was immediately put to death by God for wasting his seed. Pretty sure the big man would be against abortion.
Yes, I am betting he would be. The question at hand isn't whether or not God wants us committing abortions, the question is whether or not it should be legal. With Gay Marriage, I also believe that God doesn't want Gays to get married, but I think it should be legal for them to do so. They of course, have answer to God for that, but that is between them and God. The reason I think Gay Marriage should be legal and abortion not, is because I believe that gay marriage hurts no one but possibly the gay couple deciding to get married, however I do believe that abortion hurts someone other than the person deciding to have an abortion. I believe it hurts the unborn child, hence the difference. Despite how you want to paint me, I am not some sort of right wing nutcase, trying to force his religion down the throats of others.
I've never painted you as a right wing anything. I'm not accusing you of anything. Everything I've said is only in response to what Ender is saying. Nothing to do with you I promise.
walkingdork said:
I'm just thankful that the God (who is the same today as he was yesterday (or however that phrase goes)) doesn't continue to kill people for jerking off or using BC.
I am glad that God does not kill people for sinning, if he did, no one would be here.
Unless of course the whole idea of God was completely fabricated, but that's a whole 'nother conversation for a different thread.