Warbler said:
walkingdork said:
darth_ender said:
I don't think the comparison to the Holocaust is an invalid one.
Oh no, it's invald...as well as crazy.
whatever.
Seriously bring this argument up to a stranger and see what they say.
walkingdork said:
Warbler's argument is not deflated simply because his usage involves what he and I believe is the violation of a higher law than that here on earth.
This is why I'm completely fine with people wanting to discourage people from having abortions. However, higher laws should have no bearing on "earth laws."
higher laws? do you mean the laws of my religion. I don't believe in any of my arguments in regards to abortion, that I have mentioned my beliefs in God or Christ.
Ender brought up higher laws, not me.
I see absolutely no reason why atheist could not be pro-life.
agreed.
I see no reason why one would need to believe in God to believe that the fetus is a human being that should have the same right to life as you or I and that therefore people shouldn't be allowed to kill it. What do my religious beliefs have to do with any of this.
I don't disagree but it turns out most religious people are pro-life not pro-choice. So maybe it has something to do with it, but I'm not about to guess.
Edit: well I could guess, but I won't claim that my guess is correct and others incorrect. My guess is that religious folks have read a bible that puts women in a position that is unequal to me and therefore men have no issue telling women how to make decisions about her body.
If you've read my posts in the political thread, you should know that I am an avid defender of the concept of separation of church and state. There are many of the laws of my religion that I would totally object to being part our government's laws. Did you not see that I was pro gay marriage? Gays getting married clearly contradict my religious beliefs, but I do not want want my religion's believes forced on everyone. I think people should be allowed to live how they like as long as they are not hurting anyone else. I believe abortion does hurt someone else, the unborn baby.
I know that's how you feel warbler, and I think it's great you can think outside of your religion/upbringing. Again, I did not bring up higher laws.