darth_ender said:
walkingdork said:
darth_ender said:
I don't think the comparison to the Holocaust is an invalid one.
Oh no, it's invald...as well as crazy.
Oh! You got me there! My point crumbles at your logic! ;)
Please quote me fully, and make sure you understand my meaning. His statement was not that killing a fetus is equivalent to killing a Jew. His statement is that both are murder, though both are/were legal. It's a matter of definition. He may feel the two are equal, but that's not what he was saying in this instance. He is saying that both were legal killings, but that one can still argue that they are murder in spite of not fitting the official definition.
I read your post and fully understood it. Craziness.
Warbler's argument is not deflated simply because his usage involves what he and I believe is the violation of a higher law than that here on earth.
This is why I'm completely fine with people wanting to discourage people from having abortions. However, higher laws should have no bearing on "earth laws."
Again, I'm discussing definitions. Bingowings made a couple of teasing statements about how unfortunate it is when words don't mean what we want them to mean. I am pointing out that just because he got the word wrong, that does not invalidate his point. I seem to recall you using the word zygote incorrectly recently. While I drew attention to that incorrect usage, I wasn't trying to throw out your whole argument based on that little error. I'm defending Warbler's word usage yet again. My mention of the higher law is simply to defend the usage of the term 'murder,' though it is technically incorrect. In his and my mind, it opposes God's law, and is thus 'illegal' in that sense. But I am not trying to argue that solely based on my interpretation of moral and heavenly law should it be outlawed on earth. I've enumerated quite a number of philosophical reasons and parallel examples of why it should be illegal. While to me Heaven's law trumps all other reasons, I understand that when debating with others regarding earthly law, my argument must appeal to other trains of thought.
Does the Bible use the term "murder?" I guess maybe NIV or some more recent versions might.