Warbler said:
please read the post from twister11
Please read my post following Twister's.
CP3S said:
And murder is deemed illegal and socially unacceptable.
not always.
When is it acceptable and legal?
Likewise, I am also not silly to be concerned about something horrible happening to a group of living things, I consider to be people.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said it was silly. I apologize.
even though it has its own unique DND, and even though you have admitted it is a living human?
I've said that it is definably human, human cells, human DNA. But to me that is still something very different from an actual person.
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Should we extend it to sperm cells, as potential potentials?
no, because sperm cell alone is not a human life, human life is the combination of the sperm and the egg cell.
So once these two come into contact, sperm and ovum, we now have a human life that should be protected inalienably as per the Declaration of Independence?
I guess. it is certainly something quite different from just a sperm/ege cell itself.
So this should be afforded all the rights granted to us by the Constitution and be considered a person?
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Now we are back to a convenience thing (and I probably just reoffended Frink),
yeah, why'd you do that?
What? Should I not mention things if people find them offensive?
have you ever heard the old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"? have you ever heard of the golden rule, "do unto others how you would have them do unto you"?
You are essentially saying that I need to refrain from discussing this topic at all, because my views on it happen to be offensive to someone.
CP3S said:
I'm not forcing any morality on anyone. If you don't feel right about abortion, then I strongly encourage you not to get an abortion.
and if you don't feeling right about 6 million Jews being murdered, don't murder 6 million Jews?
Why does everything go back to Jew and black people?
again, I honestly felt like it fit. Since all you could respond with, was this question, I guess it worked.
No, it didn't work. And comparing abortion to the holocaust feels a little out there. Having Jewish ancestry myself, if I were the type to get offended easily, this might be something that would get me started. I simply don't think there is any comparison here, I said that previously when you made this comparison, so I didn't comment on it further this time.
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Soooo, does that make Obama, a strongly pro-choice President, a bit like Adolf Hitler?
ditto.
Wait a minute? Why is this one an ignorant comment? You're the one equating abortion with the holocaust.
you are right, the birth control could have failed, but most of the time when you are talking about unwanted pregnancy(and its not one via rape) you are talking about a pregnancy via unprotected sex.
I don't think that is something that could possibly be verified statistically. I imagine if someone is sexually active and having unprotected sex, they are probably doing it fairly frequently, which would result in pregnancy fairly regularly. Abortion would be an inconvenient form of birth control, being a hassle and taking time and money every few weeks or months. Seems like it wouldn't take too many pregnancies before she'd decide, hmmm, I should probably wear something or at least have him pull out.
This issue is one that really needs education to beat it. I am all for limiting the number of abortions to the bare minimum, which I think can easily be done through education and ease of access to birth control.
yeah, they were protested gay soldiers some of the time. and just about all of the time, the have have signs with very offense things about gays.
They weren't gay soldiers. This was in the don't ask don't tell days. They had signs that said things like, "thank god for maimed soldiers", "god hates your tears", "the only good soldier is a dead soldier", "Pray for more dead soldiers", and "god sent the IED's" and they would carry them outside the funerals of fallen soldiers. Yeah, they are also very anti-gay, but the funeral protests had nothing to do with that.