Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
As far s the red saber being established by Sith because of Maul and Vader...
There is no Vader. This is Episode II. Only Maul has been seen with one. Hardly a precedent.
The films don't exist in a vaccuum, though. There is a Vader. And there is a Dooku. It's definitely a precedent. I mean--you're not really re-editing these in the belief that sometime down the road, there will be children of fans who will be introduced to the prequels via your edits? Cause that's the only hypothetical audience you could be making that argument for.
This is not at all like that. 1) I've seen your edits. 2) even if I hadn't, it's not as if the footage you're using isn't widely available on DVD. It's not as if nobody's never seen what you're editing from. This is nothing like judging it from a trailer. Not even close. But analogies aren't your strong suit
Really, these edits were made for fans of the OT who didn't like the prequels, to give them a new appreciation for them, not to give prequel gushers something to bitch about. Your precious version is still out there, complete with virgin births, midichlorians, fart jokes, redundant plot, inconsistant pace, that horribly acted and inexplicable love story, and stiff dialogue that yes, in several places has been relooped in my version from production audio and other sources.
Go enjoy it, just as the people here are enjoying mine. Life is too short to waste on senseless arguements over which one is better.
As far s the red saber being established by Sith because of Maul and Vader...
There is no Vader. This is Episode II. Only Maul has been seen with one. Hardly a precedent.
The films don't exist in a vaccuum, though. There is a Vader. And there is a Dooku. It's definitely a precedent. I mean--you're not really re-editing these in the belief that sometime down the road, there will be children of fans who will be introduced to the prequels via your edits? Cause that's the only hypothetical audience you could be making that argument for.
And you ask how the Jedi are infighting. If Dooku = Jedi, then a Jedi (Dooku) builds a huge army to topple the Republic.
But Dooku's not a Jedi, because even if you make him NOT a sith--he's still left the order. he's no longer a Jedi.
The Jedi defend the Republic. One Jedi and his droid army wipe out the bulk of the Jedi through the Clone Wars, while Sidious just watches and pulls the strings.
Which is exactly how Palpatine plays it to the rest of the senate and the republic in Episode III. As it stands. You don't need to re-edit anything to get to that point. That's how its' going to go down. Dooku is going to be Palpatine's patsy, and Palpatine is going to shove him and the rest of the Jedi by *loose* association under the bus IN PUBLIC.
You'd figure wrong, but since you're apparently looking for an escape route, feel free to latch onto that one and use it as your out. I know you're looping and cutting dialog--I just don't remember anything specifically looped IN THAT PARTICULAR SCENE AT THE END OF EPISODE II. Not by Windu. Certainly not enough to explain your infighting theory. Unless I'm remembering something wrong, and you want to enlighten me. Considering these are your creative choices now.
This is like the film critic in Sacramento who actually had the nerve to say, "I watched the the trailer for the Two Towers... I don't need to see the film. The whole thing is one big video game. One and a half stars."
But Dooku's not a Jedi, because even if you make him NOT a sith--he's still left the order. he's no longer a Jedi.
The Jedi defend the Republic. One Jedi and his droid army wipe out the bulk of the Jedi through the Clone Wars, while Sidious just watches and pulls the strings.
Which is exactly how Palpatine plays it to the rest of the senate and the republic in Episode III. As it stands. You don't need to re-edit anything to get to that point. That's how its' going to go down. Dooku is going to be Palpatine's patsy, and Palpatine is going to shove him and the rest of the Jedi by *loose* association under the bus IN PUBLIC.
If you don't think Nute Gunray is conniving enough to orchestrate this with Sidious, then you obviously never paid attention during my EP I. Most are of the opinion that my Gunray is every bit the equal in the evil department as Vader, Tarkin, and Palpatine.
No, I see it, I still don't buy it. he sounds harder, but he still doesn't come off as anything more than a hired lackey. New dialog in the subtitles doesn't really give the character any more weight. There's some extra menace, but being as you're apparently pretty sensitive to criticism of your creative decisions, I don't know if I should go into any more depth on Gunray's changes.
Meaning that you haven't even seen my versions? I kind of figured that.
No, I see it, I still don't buy it. he sounds harder, but he still doesn't come off as anything more than a hired lackey. New dialog in the subtitles doesn't really give the character any more weight. There's some extra menace, but being as you're apparently pretty sensitive to criticism of your creative decisions, I don't know if I should go into any more depth on Gunray's changes.
Meaning that you haven't even seen my versions? I kind of figured that.
You'd figure wrong, but since you're apparently looking for an escape route, feel free to latch onto that one and use it as your out. I know you're looping and cutting dialog--I just don't remember anything specifically looped IN THAT PARTICULAR SCENE AT THE END OF EPISODE II. Not by Windu. Certainly not enough to explain your infighting theory. Unless I'm remembering something wrong, and you want to enlighten me. Considering these are your creative choices now.
This is like the film critic in Sacramento who actually had the nerve to say, "I watched the the trailer for the Two Towers... I don't need to see the film. The whole thing is one big video game. One and a half stars."
This is not at all like that. 1) I've seen your edits. 2) even if I hadn't, it's not as if the footage you're using isn't widely available on DVD. It's not as if nobody's never seen what you're editing from. This is nothing like judging it from a trailer. Not even close. But analogies aren't your strong suit
Really, these edits were made for fans of the OT who didn't like the prequels, to give them a new appreciation for them, not to give prequel gushers something to bitch about. Your precious version is still out there, complete with virgin births, midichlorians, fart jokes, redundant plot, inconsistant pace, that horribly acted and inexplicable love story, and stiff dialogue that yes, in several places has been relooped in my version from production audio and other sources.
Go enjoy it, just as the people here are enjoying mine. Life is too short to waste on senseless arguements over which one is better.
Whoa. Taking it personal much? I'm just discussing your edit with you. I'm not making any sort of personal judgment of you. Although the irony of someone who re-edited someone else's movie getting touchy when he starts facing a fraction of that same criticism isn't lost
But that's not the reason I'm debating it with you. It's not like ALL your cuts and edits are bad. A lot of the stuff you did in Episode II is similar to what Ben Burtt himself did with the IMAX edit of AOTC. And don't be so quick to blindly cast me as some sort of blind prequel "gusher" or whatever, either. You certainly dont' know enough about my stance on Episodes I and II to make anything short of an ill-informed statement as far as that goes. Episodes I and II have a whole bunch of problems. yes, there's fart jokes, virgin births, inconsistent pace, and one of the worst ever love stories put to film (or digital tape) but what I'm trying to discuss with you is that some of your edits DON'T HELP any of that. In fact, they make them worse and in some cases, it's going to seriously foul up what goes down in Episode III.
I mean, if life is too short to argue over plot points and deeper characterization (which is a pretty good debate we're having, by the way, bet you didn't think you could get that in-depth over something so "Shitty and infantile" huh.) then it's DEFINITELY too short to be re-editing already finished movies to the extent you're doing it, right?
I mean, not to throw darts, but "time wasting" shouldn't really be an excuse in this instant. I'm not even really arguing over which is better. I'm only arguing over SPECIFIC elements in YOUR edit relating to YOUR creative choices. Period. There's no reason to plug your ears and bail. This discussion isn't any more meaningless and time wasting than re-editing a movie you don't like. Not in the least. and if you can indulge in that, there's no reason you can't indulge in this, especially since I'm doing my best to keep it aboveboard, strictly friendly and evenhanded.