slade said:
can take screencaps of this ...
Cool! I'd love to see screencaps or even a YouTube vid of this. Amazing that it broadcast in 2008!
captainsolo said:
Shame about that VHS. I too am used to the older video version of the credits, but I don't think anything videowise would use the original unaltered credits with wrong return tags since they weren't released or were quickly recalled and junked.
EyeShotFirst said:
To ask a noob question, what are the best laserdisc versions of the original connery Bonds?
Sorry for missing this one earlier, but here's a quick rundown:
Dr. No, FRWL: MGM for best wither single release or Connery Collection Vol. 1, Criterion edition from show print with different color and framing.
Goldfinger: MGM single or Connery Collection overall though title song in stereo. Criterion uses a show print with different color and framing. THX box has some DVNR but is full CAV. Later THX CLV repress is same.
Thunderball: MGM single or Connery Collection Vol. 2. THX CAV box great but features some DVNR and new surround sound mix with alternate dialog/effects/score cues. Later THX CLV repress is same.
YOLT: 1989 MGM single or CC Vol. 2. Almost exactly similar, with perhaps the CC version being slightly better because it was made 3 years later.
DAF: same as YOLT.
So for the easiest choice, I'd say you couldn't go wrong with both Connery boxes.
This is actually quite helpful. Which version of OHMSS would you recommend? I'm trying to track down most of my favorite Bond films on LD. I recently got the Criterion Connery films, with the "Banned" commentary tracks. While I like for the most part, the blu-ray releases, I'd like to have the original PCM audio for the sake of completion. Besides OHMSS, I'm looking for TSWLM,FYEO and TLD. I really don't know if there were various versions, similar to the first three Connery flicks.
I'm still pretty new to Laserdisc collecting, but I've quickly fallen in love with the lossless audio this format provided.
So did I. The PCM audio sucks you in almost instantly.
There's only one OHMSS, the 1991 letterbox issue. Sound is great on that one. The SE DVD is identical in 480p except it omits a few shots and dialogue lines in error.
TSWLM I have on the 1990 LD, and it looks like VHS and SE DVD. Very muted looking in places, but the stereo surround sound is worth it alone. There was a later very limited THX LD pressing but I don't expect it to be any different ,perhaps with a cleaner transfer and added noise reduction.
FYEO is great on LD, especially the sound. Nice and boomy with good separation and better bass than the DTS 5.1. Nice to have the original track back in place!
TLD is harder to find, but extremely worth it. I absolutely loved watching it on LD, with image being stellar for 420i and the sound being so clear that I could pick out a game of Galaxian going on in the fair background.
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Ah! Thank you for the info. I decided to just pick up most the Bond Laserdiscs on ebay. They are so cheap in lots. I've been cross-checking with the LDDB to make sure I get widescreen versions. So far, I'm missing Octopussy and LTK. Who knows, one day I might be bored enough to sync the PCM of these discs to the BD releases.
I'm going to be rewatching these movies on my Laserdisc "Theater."
Krycek87 said:
...one day I might be bored enough to sync the PCM of these discs to the BD releases.
Colour me interested!
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Same for me... watch out thought OHMSS is not the same cut, so you will need to fill in the missing bits.
Stamper said:
Same for me... watch out thought OHMSS is not the same cut, so you will need to fill in the missing bits.
What's missing for OHMSS? Is it on the BD or the LD version?
One thing that puzzles me about the documentaries, how can there be SE DVD's on the bookshelves behind Michael Wilson, when the documentaries first came out on the SE's? If they aren't the DVD's, what are they?
And watching the Ian Fleming doc on The Living Daylights jogged my memory about 1990 tv movie "Spymaker: The Secret Life of Ian Fleming". Is it worth tracking down?
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SilverWook said:
One thing that puzzles me about the documentaries, how can there be SE DVD's on the bookshelves behind Michael Wilson, when the documentaries first came out on the SE's? If they aren't the DVD's, what are they?
Promotional mockups, maybe? I haven't seen that doc, so I couldn't say for sure.
Which one(s) is it on? I might take a peek if I have it.
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Most of the Moore films and The Living Daylights. I just started on the Dalton films.
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I'm struggling to find the mono and DS versions of all the films up to LTK as I live in europe and the Blu don't have them.
Could someone put demuxed original tracks on myspleen so that I can sync them (and other too) on my rips? I mean the AC3 original mixes. All up to LTK.
GavSalkeld said:
Krycek87 said:
...one day I might be bored enough to sync the PCM of these discs to the BD releases.
Colour me interested!
I'd love to see that too (or actually hear it : ).
To have the LD PCM tracks for License to Kill and The Living Daylights in sync with BD video would be a dream come true!
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I figured that it would be worth asking again.
For the Sean Connery James Bond films (including Never Say Never Again), which LDs have the best PQ and colors? Are any of the subsequent DVD or BD releases better in both respects? If so, which ones?
Thanks!
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The MGM issues will look identical to the SE DVDs/1990's VHS and virtually everything else older. The 1989 discs were repackaged into two box sets but with pressing dates 2-3 later so there may be some slight-very very slight improvement in transfer. The Goldfinger and Thunderball CAV boxes use these transfers with full CAV but with some added edge enhancement at least on TB.
The Criterion DN/FRWL/GF use show prints and are at 1.75:1 instead of 1.66:1 original ratio. The MGMs are correct.
Buying both box Connery boxsets is the easiest route, and nowadays can be had pretty cheap. Sound is all great, fully accurate PCM mono save for the title song in Goldfinger which was inserted as stereo instead of mono on all 1989 and onward MGM discs. The most worn audio is FRWL (lots of hiss but never detracts from presentation) and the most worn print is surprisingly DAF.
NSNA is only on a Warner letterbox disc, but I don't have a copy. I don't imagine it should look much if any different from the initial MGM DVD. The lossless original sound would be the draw.
As for advantage over later issues, you get the films as originally presented, warts and all versus the SE DVDs with compression artifacts/cropping on the first three films/Edge Enhancement etc./lossy audio vs. the UE/BDs which lose grain structure, color timing, have no lossless mono.
I'm honestly of the opinion that LD is still king on these titles.
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Don't forget the early DVD's of Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger that came out before the SE's. All are THX mastered, and might be ports of the THX LD masters, with anamorphic enhancement.
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SilverWook said:
Don't forget the early DVD's of Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger that came out before the SE's. All are THX mastered, and might be ports of the THX LD masters, with anamorphic enhancement.
Really? The flipper sets, right? I've seen them on eBay before, they include the film in widescreen and fullscreen. I might pick up Dr. No and see if that's the case.
Dual layer discs, with each version presumably taking up one layer. All had a trailer and a few light extras. All three came in the cardboard snapper cases.
I re-watched mine synced up to the Criterion commentaries recently. FRWL and Goldfinger held up pretty well on a modern tv. Dr. No had a noticeable bit of compression artifacts on ocean waves though.
TSWLM and Moonraker also came out in similar THX editions, but in regular DVD cases. Moonraker was the only genuine case of DVD rot I've ever had, so I was relieved the Connery discs still play.
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I have the TSWLM edition, and they are indeed housed together as separate transfers on one single sided DVD9. For all intents and purposes these transfers are identical to what are on the SE discs.
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I see. Wonder why the SE's didn't merit the THX label?
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Oh geeze, I was just at Target and they've got ANOTHER set of Bond DVDs...
No special features at all (except for commentary), but quite a lot of audio options, including original mono.
No idea what transfer they are, but man do they have some reaaally swank looking cover art. I almost grabbed From Russia With Love and Goldfinger, but then saw that they had these Sean Connery collections for $10 each (which I think are just repackaged UEs?), and figured that $20 for nine discs was a more practical choice than $15 for two =|
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Weird they would bother with another DVD release at this point. There's been a glut of individual two disc UE's clearance priced in Big Lots stores for the past year or so.
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They've had quite a mix of SEs and UE's around here for a while now, but I hadn't seen any of the two disc sets until about a month ago, and only Octopussy and The Living Daylights.
All I'm missing now (in general) is Casino Royale, Never Say Never Again, and maybe Die Another Day. Though there's probably a couple more SEs that I want to replace bad UEs, like The Spy Who Loved Me.
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Ack! Apparently NSNA is out of print and on the pricey side.
I guess I probably won't be owning that one any time soon.
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I think I'm going to go with The Connery Collection LDs.
On that note, which NSNA LD is the best, captainsolo?
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There was only one letterboxed LD of NSNA released in the U.S., so no brainer. ;)
There was a Japanese pressing, but according to the LDDB, subtitles are in the picture.
It would be ironic if the renegade Bonds look better on Blu than the official ones.
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