Disney Acquires LucasFilm for $4.05 billion, Episode 7 in 2015, 8 and 9 to Follow, New Film Every 2-3 Years — Page 22

SpilkaBilka said:

Yes.  This is something in the Star Wars universe I've sorely missed since X-Wing, TIE Fighter, and Dark Forces:

REBELLION VS. EMPIRE.

This is the backdrop of Star Wars... yet I feel it hasn't been seen/addressed in 20 years.  Or if it has, it was done terribly (Force Unleashed).  I want to see the formation of the Rebellion.  I want to see this small rag-tag group slowly grow in strength in the years prior to IV.  I want to see what they were doing between IV and V.  Man, the force and Jedi are cool and all, but I really want to see more of the military conflict.

Playing those LucasArts game and pretending I was a pilot/trooper in a massive galactic civil war is what got me back into Star Wars as a teenager in the early 90s.

If you could find my posts here written about 10 years ago, you'd see we're thinking the same thing.

Star Wars is a science-fantasy (not traditional hard sci-fi) with a WAR in the backdrop. While Lucas had Vietnam in mind when he made ROTJ, those starfighter combat sequences are made after World War 2 guncams & movies, and it shows (relative motion speed, lasers instead of long-range autoaiming missiles etc.). This was one of the reasons I'm so into SW, because I'm also into military history, and when it comes to aviation, WW2 and 1930s are my #1.

RRS-1980 said:

Interesting how the "point of sitting" defines the "point of view". The Vietnam war never came to my mind when watching Star Wars (OK, maybe only during the ROTJ jungle fight with Ewoks). It's quite natural for a person with European background to see Rebel Alliance as the resistance movement fighting against the Nazi Germany, using "hit and run" tactics, captured weapons, infiltration, espionage etc. Many of those Bothans died to bring us the V-1 plans, right?

Yet Star Wars can remain militaristic safely without real world problems (no stormtroopers raping women or Imperial officers sending children to gas chambers, my Grandma wasn't chased by TIE Bomber, but Ju 87 Stuka) or appearing homoerotic (like most pro-army propaganda: "join us, merry muscular men!").

Jedi knights were supposed to be an elite, a small group. We were shown old Kenobi, who despite his age retained charm and sense of humor - and that made him cool and composed.

Even before Prequels which made many of us hate the Jedi, the fans themselves made me sick of the Jedi order, with their dress-ups, fan-fics etc.

I understand that most people want to play as a Jedi, but if we were allowed a choice in 1990s, why can't I get a game today sans Jedi?

Think Elite/Frontier, Wing Commander: Privateer, X series... each had a cult following. It's impossible that a game like this set in Star Wars universe wouldn't catch on - LucasArts lost this big opportunity!

I used to buy all those very expensive (where I live) LucasArts games... but that was over 10 years ago.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

From sources that I have heard from, expect restored prints of the OUT to surface in the near future folks. This could possibly be the same year episode 7 comes out.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Then maybe the theatrical versionof THX 1138 and Raiders of the Lost Ark, Zeta Project season two, and Gargoyles season two, part two will come out, then someone will discover cold fusion.

Brooks said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

From sources that I have heard from, expect restored prints of the OUT to surface in the near future folks. This could possibly be the same year episode 7 comes out.

I keep reading on different forums about "sources" saying we'll get OUT.  Is anyone able to supply any firm info on this?  Who are these sources?  You don't have to name them but maybe let us know if they're somebody with legitimate inside knowledge?

Last time we heard this, I was ecstatic enough to dance in the streets, and then the "restoration" turned out to be the old LD transfers. Lets not get our hopes up, even if there was some legitimate reason to believe this.

Davnes007 said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

From sources that I have heard from, expect restored prints of the OUT to surface in the near future folks. This could possibly be the same year episode 7 comes out.

But, will the colors be fixed?

And, will it have Dolby sound?

 

 

 

Brooks said:

I keep reading on different forums about "sources" saying we'll get OUT.  Is anyone able to supply any firm info on this?  Who are these sources?...

The 'sources' are the internet, and it's all coming from SuperShadow.

Did the restore the OOT before the creation of the SEs? Where would they get prints if they didn't? Splice it together? Which audio mix would they use? How would they remix it? Where would they draw the line in the changes made prior to the SEs? Would they recomposite effects or use the old ones? Garbage mattes? Way too many questions. And who is SuperShadow?

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

My thoughts on this deal: I don't like it.

Disney owning Lucasfilm is a major bad move and I don't like Disney handling Star Wars (less Lucasfilm will keep Star Wars to themselves). If anything, Fox should've gotten the Star Wars franchise hands down.

And there's no need for VII-IX or any spin off films! The 6 film saga is perfect and the film storyline doesn't need to continue. I worry about this :(

Well, then we're always entitled not to watch it. Whether you think the franchise has been beyond repair ever since ROTJ, or whether you think that the franchise still has many more avenues to be explored, who care? You can just choose not to watch what you don't like. It's what I DO like that hasn't been released properly which I care about.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Brooks said:

I keep reading on different forums about "sources" saying we'll get OUT.  Is anyone able to supply any firm info on this?  Who are these sources?  You don't have to name them but maybe let us know if they're somebody with legitimate inside knowledge?

Nothing has been officially announced. My connections come from the theatrical venues, 3D and 2D so there are really no names that can be quoted; however, these sources have good connections with the House of Mouse.

 

Davnes007 said:

But, will the colors be fixed?

And, will it have Dolby sound?

The negative that the 1997 Special editions were made from has the correct colors. The blue cast the we see in the blurays and DVD's was a post process done for the video release. But who knows, Di$ney may want to do a complete restoration from the original film elements.

As far as sound goes I expect to see a 7.1 DTS Master Audio track and with any luck, an original 2.0 track.

 

I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole or anything, but why should we believe you about your "sources?" Who are they? Will Harris be involved? Where would they get original film elements? This is so many years in the future, who's to say that it'll happen anyway? Who's to say that Lucas didn't put some sort of cast-iron clause in his contract to forever lock out the OOT? Especially given what's happened with the Library of Congress situation.

Warbler said:

I just want to know one thing:  will they release the OOT on blu ray? 

Probably not. But you probably know as much as the rest of us do.

thecolorsblend said:

AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

As far as sound goes I expect to see a 7.1 DTS Master Audio track and with any luck, an original 2.0 track.

To me, the original soundtrack(s) should be just as important as the original video. This should be a top priority for all of us.

For those more technically-minded, can those old school soundtrack just be slapped on to a Blu Ray or DVD or would they need a lot of work before being ready to listen to?

Assuming it would, who would care? Who besides purists would ever even put anything other than the surround sound mix on for any reason? More to the point, that means if they put it on there, there's the question of if it would be restored. Granting that this does happen, there're tons of factors

Tuxsam said:

Source: Link

Honestly, a blog? You guys do realize that during such buzz-moment placing any Star Wars-related speculation suddenly helps to promote your blog?

Is there someone these days as good as Lawrence Kasdan in his prime when he wrote Empire and Raiders?

I want someone that good to write the new movies.  I want someone as good as Spielberg was on Raiders, Lucas on Star Wars 1977, or Kershner on Empire to direct it.

Also why settle for matching the oot for greatness when you could top it, the prequels made us lower our expectations to the point where a Sub Return of the Jedi effort would be acceptable.

The Kind of money they have and the technologies that now exist should mean they could make the best star wars movies ever possible.

But probably won't happen.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is there someone these days as good as Lawrence Kasdan in his prime when he wrote Empire and Raiders?

I want someone that good to write the new movies.  I want someone as good as Spielberg was on Raiders, Lucas on Star Wars 1977, or Kershner on Empire to direct it.

Also why settle for matching the oot for greatness when you could top it, the prequels made us lower our expectations to the point where a Sub Return of the Jedi effort would be acceptable.

The Kind of money they have and the technologies that now exist should mean they could make the best star wars movies ever possible.

But probably won't happen.

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

^This. You definitely have to think about this when considering the sequel trilogy. It will suffer the same way many thought Prometheus did design-wise, no matter what. Hell, even the prequels did (and I actually rather liked some of the designs for the ships/locations [though not all, of course].)

AntcuFaalb said:

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

It's a shame.  If I were in charge of the new Star Wars movies, one of my objectives would be to make them look like the old movies.  Make them look like they came from that era.  Like, literally, do everything possible to get the same "vibe" from IV.  The graininess, the colors, models and real sets, pacing.  Future generations would think VII-IX were made right after IV-VI.

I'm not sure if it's nostalgia (I didn't see SW til the late 80s), or that the late-70s look and "feel" just perfectly suits the movies.

SpilkaBilka said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

It's a shame.  If I were in charge of the new Star Wars movies, one of my objectives would be to make them look like the old movies.  Make them look like they came from that era.  Like, literally, do everything possible to get the same "vibe" from IV.  The graininess, the colors, models and real sets, pacing.  Future generations would think VII-IX were made right after IV-VI.

I'm not sure if it's nostalgia (I didn't see SW til the late 80s), or that the late-70s look and "feel" just perfectly suits the movies.

I think it's mostly the latter. That is, the look-and-feel really does best suit the movies.

With that being said, I think Disney would lose a big demographic if they were to go this route: preteens and teens, as this is the group that gets off the most on big, intrusive, ugly CGI spectacles.

Also, does Hollywood use models and/or puppets in movies anymore?

Are there any movies still shot on real film?

AntcuFaalb said:

With that being said, I think Disney would lose a big demographic if they were to go this route: preteens and teens, as this is the group that gets off the most on big, intrusive, ugly CGI spectacles.

Yep.  No one is catering to us, that's for sure.

SpilkaBilka said:

AntcuFaalb said:

With that being said, I think Disney would lose a big demographic if they were to go this route: preteens and teens, as this is the group that gets off the most on big, intrusive, ugly CGI spectacles.

Yep.  No one is catering to us, that's for sure.

Which, objectively, doesn't make sense when you consider the amount of money we have and would dump into the franchise. The preteens and teens don't have the money... we do.

Teal/orange hue for the win!

Tuxsam said:

I'm sorry, it's not my blog or from anyone that I know.

My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was just a reminder to not to believe everything that's written on the Internet, because anyone can write on the Internet, and the subject is very hot at the moment. I too can create a blog and write "a source close to Lucas, yet asking to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, reports that RRS-1980 was contacted regarding planned yet-unnamed LucasArts space combat sim", and because last few words are a genuine rumor, it suddenly looks believable, yay!

Today's CGI can look fairly well (I'm not talking explosions, where I'd still use models) - it is the fault of poor art directing. Modern CGI can successfully fake CRT scanlines and analog computer displays of 1980s. It just takes knowledge, skill and dedication.

RRS-1980 said:

Tuxsam said:

I'm sorry, it's not my blog or from anyone that I know.

My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was just a reminder to not to believe everything that's written on the Internet, because anyone can write on the Internet, and the subject is very hot at the moment. I too can create a blog and write "a source close to Lucas, yet asking to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, reports that RRS-1980 was contacted regarding planned yet-unnamed LucasArts space combat sim", and because last few words are a genuine rumor, it suddenly looks believable, yay!

 

Today's CGI can look fairly well (I'm not talking explosions, where I'd still use models) - it is the fault of poor art directing. Modern CGI can successfully fake CRT scanlines and analog computer displays of 1980s. It just takes knowledge, skill and dedication.

An excellent example is given here.

Tuxsam said:

Is this reliable? It looks like they nailed the 3D releases.

Marketsaw is a reliable source, but they are not the only ones giving out that same news. I think Aint it cool.com has the same news also.

Mike O said:

Did they restore the OOT before the creation of the SEs? Where would they get prints if they didn't? Splice it together? Which audio mix would they use? How would they remix it? Where would they draw the line in the changes made prior to the SEs? Would they recomposite effects or use the old ones? Garbage mattes? Way too many questions. And who is SuperShadow?

Lucasfilm went back to the original negatives, cleaned it up, and recomposited certain elements, and made a HD digital masters for the 97 special editions, before any new FX work was added. Some of this has already been address by Rick Maccullum for the video release of the 97 SE's. All the original film elements still exist today, including the original negative, and it's still not to far gone to be used again. It can still be color corrected. They did it for the 97 special editions, and it can be done again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhLUdy3RDpM

The FX work was done digitally, That means the print was scanned into a server ( or some disc based system ) for ILM to add the new FX work. Then that was exported to the editing dept to composite and edit everything together digitally. Then that was reprinted on analog film.

The master copy for the OUT audio is in analog. All the sound elements were recorded on tape. Later on they were digitized. No one recordes a master copy soundtrack in Dolby, DTS ( now known as DATASAT DIGITAL SOUND) or SDDS. Studios have to contract out for that. The studio soundtrack masters today are recorded digitally as uncompressed audio files, and they stay that way through the editing process. And the soundtrack files are stored as uncompressed audio files for later use.

Mike O said:

I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole or anything, but why should we believe you about your "sources?" Who are they? Will Harris be involved? Where would they get original film elements? This is so many years in the future, who's to say that it'll happen anyway? Who's to say that Lucas didn't put some sort of cast-iron clause in his contract to forever lock out the OOT? Especially given what's happened with the Library of Congress situation.

You have the right to believe anything you want to.

There was a show BBC had called The Story of Star Wars Episode 1 (something like that.)

Anyway on the show Ewan McG.  was watching the original Star Wars at LucasFilm.  I know that because it had the original shadows under the Landspeeder.  

So I am very sure the Lucas archives has many original prints.