I think it's inevitable and give the guy a break.
Nat, Liam, Ewan all of them can act but mostly stunk under Lucas' direction.
With the right director and the right CGI maybe Hayden can be made to work.
You will find Episode VII to be about how the Jedi Order had been in hiding until Lucas handed over the reigns (or sold them). :)
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I actually wouldn't mind a Hayden as Anakin force ghost, so long as they make Hayden look older. That's my real gripe with his inclusion in RotJ. Had they aged him, I think it wouldn've been fine.
It is pretty much inevitable, so it's better to try and find a way to make it work, rather than just complain about it.
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4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
A New New Hope.
a.k.a., ROTJ?
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They did age Anakin by casting Seb Shaw.
Really they should show all the Force ghosts Renewed in the next SE and then Ewan and Yoda can help Luke rebuild the Jedi while the Force ghost of Palpatine (red aura) works on Chancellor Organa.
I think Luke, now basically grown into Obi-Wan, coming out of his quiet Yoda-like retirement, to help a band of heroes on some sort of andventure is the perfect hook.
timdiggerm said:
Terrible idea: Hayden Christensen as the ghost of Anakin Skywalker
Maybe so but who in their right mind would put ghostly Hayden into a Star Wars movie? That would never happen.
Um, wait...
All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.
That's pretty much the hook they have to work with. What remains to be seen is the story setup that will be the foundation of whatever they pursue. A fully formed New Republic in either turmoil or peace confronted by new dangers.
What really should be done is to throw out the deep convictions to try and do something saga-like, and to simply make a Star Wars-set space adventure serial like these films were meant to be. Of course now that they've waited so long the original leads are all much much older in an Indy-type scenario and of course I don't think some will be very enthusiastic...
Harrison: "Oh for the love of...Okay I do freaking Indy 4. Then they are supposed to get off my back. But oh no! Then I even agree to another Blade Runner....and that still isn't enough....goddammit George....you know I freaking have a bad back...no...no...I didn't mean anything Mr. Mouse sir....hah ha haaaa...son of a bitch..."
My two suggestions:
35mm with no cgi (as if that would ever happen), and see if Larry Kasdan is interested in a draft.
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Not sure if I should continue with my treatment of a sequel trilogy...
Complete it, change the names, vault it and then take Disney to the cleaners (joke).
The best way that I can see this panning out is a trilogy of rebuilding the republic. It never made sense to me that the Empire would fail instantly the second Palpatine died. This could be set after a full civil war has been finished. Show Luke entering the Jedi temple to restore the Order, Leia as Chancellor working to re establish the Senate, and Han/Chewy/Lando leading the rebuilding of Coruscant, which has fallen into disrepair.
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Skywalker twins I can fathom, I can even see Lando running for Mayor of Coruscant but General Solo and Mr Becca?
I can imagine Solo dying at the beginning and passing the charm torch over to someone else (as long as it's not Shia Labeouf).
Oh and for God's don't let Damon Lindelof near a Star Wars script unless it's already really, really bad.
If they do anything other than adapt one of the many existing post-ROTJ stories then they are asking for trouble, IMO, because so much EU stuff exists now.
They really ought to film the Thrawn trilogy by Tim Zahn, because the books are excellent and in the same tradition as the films of high adventure and good fun. Either rotoscope the likenesses of Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher et al, or recast.
In fact, I can't overstate how awesome Thrawn on the big screen would be. I really want to start a petition...
That would be an odd turn.
Star Wars films as literary adaptations.
We have had all those Harry Potters and the Tolkiens so it's not exactly new but not quite the same either.
The only problems I can think of are A) they are really long (you could make three Game Of Thrones like mini-series out of the Thrawn books and still miss out some of the good bits) B) C'boath is really daft and will only appeal to people who were 100% with the books, he should be a clone of a featured PT Jedi (it makes sense with Ben's ghost departing to have him usurped by a clone).
It could be retconned into a Republic attempt to replenish fallen Jedi to lead the troops which doesn't work.
lth said:
If they do anything other than adapt one of the many existing post-ROTJ stories then they are asking for trouble, IMO, because so much EU stuff exists now.
They really ought to film the Thrawn trilogy by Tim Zahn, because the books are excellent and in the same tradition as the films of high adventure and good fun. Either rotoscope the likenesses of Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher et al, or recast.
In fact, I can't overstate how awesome Thrawn on the big screen would be. I really want to start a petition...
Mara Jade is an awful fanwank character though. She's a Mary Sue for Zahn. We've had enough of that with Doctor Who already, thank you.
I'd rather they didn't use the original characters at all, and set it some other time completely.
In fact, I'd rather they didn't make any new movies, but that's not an option any more.
lth said:
They really ought to film the Thrawn trilogy by Tim Zahn
Everybody on the internet is saying this.
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1990osu said:
lth said:
They really ought to film the Thrawn trilogy by Tim Zahn
Everybody on the internet is saying this.
Agreed. It's on TFN, as well.
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I would definitely like to see all of the original cast come back. Harrison Ford and Carrie Fischer should just be a cameo. They're story is over. Mark Hamill shouldn't be the main character, but I think his role needs to be bigger than a cameo. Luke needs to be a big deal in this universe. Billy Dee Williams showing up would be cool also. Would love to see him get a supporting role. Chewie needs to be back, of course, but they got to give Peter Mayhew his old costume, not the one from ROTS, or anything that looks like that. I don't know if I would mind a Hayden cameo. R2-D2 and C-3PO need more than a cameo.
For the most part, though, I think it should be new characters.
Given that at least one of the original Chewie masks looks more like the Crypt Keeper now, that's not as easy as it sounds. Whatever else has survived is probably too fragile for the rigors of filming now.
Where were you in '77?
Probably true. Anyway, base the new design off of that.
So I'm on this big sci-fi kick all of a sudden. Introduced to Firefly series, read Ender's game and now finishing up this "Foundation" novel by some guy named Asimov who I had vaguely heard of before. I was struck by similarities in "Foundation" with Star Wars. From big things like a galactic empire of billions of worlds existing for thousands of years to little things like the important world of Korellia. Story-wise they are quite different, of course, but I see how ideas can be borrowed or used as a guide.
The blue elephant in the room.
I'd also like to see this set 30 years later, with Luke in the Obi-Wan mentor role. Maybe Leia & Han's offspring seeks out their long lost uncle Luke to train in the Jedi arts.
The Empire should still be around, just with a reduced territory. Coruscant, for example, could still be held by them. (Just say that the uprising shown in ROTJ-SE was quelled.) The New Republic idea could still be used, but they should be a small government only consisting of a few dozen systems. This way you could basically still have the same conflicts as the OT-- the Republic trying to win back systems from the Empire. Have some Sith still pulling the strings with the Empire and explore what exactly the Sith are.
In that chain of events, throw in Justin Bruening as Jacen Solo. I know he's a bit old but I think he could pull it off - I've enjoyed watching him in Switched at Birth.
Perhaps, in a non-EU timeline, the ST could focus on Luke training Jacen. Go with the familiar turn to the dark side theme, with Ep 7 combining the best elements of Eps 1 and 4 to establish the relationships. In Episode 8, build up controversy between Jacen and Luke, show Jacen leaning towards the dark side, argumentative, etc. and have him give up on being a Jedi and disappear at the end of the film. In Episode 9, Luke tracks Jacen across the Galaxy. At the end of the film, there can be a light saber battle between Jacen and Luke, where Jacen obviously has the upper hand. He begins to toy with Luke, and eventually goes for the killing blow, stopping at the last second with a change of heart, then helping drag Luke to safety (insert cliche self destruct sequence with timer).
This combines Anakin's fall to the dark side with Luke's self-redemption by not killing Vader in RotJ. Keeps the story in line with the rest of the Saga, ultimately tying up the whole thing and showing that someone truly could be completely redeemed of the Dark Side. Sure, Anakin was at the end, but you never got to see him do anything good in a post-Vader life. Of course, you'd need another driving plot device (Yuuzhan Vong invasion perhaps) in the background.
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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000