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Disney Acquires LucasFilm for $4.05 billion, Episode 7 in 2015, 8 and 9 to Follow, New Film Every 2-3 Years — Page 13

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Brooks said:

AntcuFaalb said:

A lot of pessimism on this board.

This may be the result of LFL dicking-over its fans so many times *cough*GOUT*cough*.

This may also be the result of Disney dicking-over its fans so many times *cough*Song of the South*cough*.

This implies that once she goes LFL + Disney, she'll never go back.

(Take from that previous sentence what you will.)

The OUT and Song of the South situations could not be more different.  Clearly there's a reason Song of the South is locked away.  It's really not accurate to compare them.  Besides, Fox still has the original trilogy, right? 

I wasn't comparing the two situations. They are both situations of a company (Disney, LFL) dicking-over its fans and I was merely pointing out that similarity.

You're right in that Song of the South is/was a bad example. Better examples may be censorship (e.g., The Three Caballeros and The Rescuers) or crappy colortiming (e.g., Snow White).

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Song Of The South is an unfilm because it's a product of it's time and as such corporately uncomfortable, the same if true of OUT.

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Regardless, Fox still owns the OT, not Disney.

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Bingowings said:

I liked the Vong.

The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.

That's why I don't like most of the EU and worry about Lucas absence. Most of EU authors appear to not understand Star Wars. It's like a bunch of wild fan ideas materialized. Fortunately Lucas spent some time teaching people like Filoni, Gilroy and the like how Star Wars works and how to do it right.

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AntcuFaalb said:

You're right in that Song of the South is/was a bad example. Better examples may be censorship (e.g., The Three Caballeros and The Rescuers) or crappy colortiming (e.g., Snow White).

All right, going off-topic here. I've heard nothing but good things about Snow White, compared to at least a few of them (supposedly Cinderella is just atrocious and it looks like they nearly recolored the entire damn thing.) Robert Harris thinks it's pretty much perfect. Do you know where they supposedly went wrong? We can take this to PM if you'd prefer.

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bkev said:

 

AntcuFaalb said:



You're right in that Song of the South is/was a bad example. Better examples may be censorship (e.g., The Three Caballeros and The Rescuers) or crappy colortiming (e.g., Snow White).

All right, going off-topic here. I've heard nothing but good things about Snow White, compared to at least a few of them. Robert Harris thinks it's pretty much perfect. Do you know where they supposedly went wrong? We can take this to PM if you'd prefer.

 

Actually, I'm wrong. They messed up the colortiming on a few other releases, but I mistakenly believed Snow White to be among them.

Please correct me, as I know you know more about this than I do.

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Bingowings said:

A powerful enemy that would unite the remains of the Empire with the Alliance.

I ignore the EU, but several of my friends were really into it during before the PT came along.  They hated that element of the storyline and said it reminded them of "that episode of Masters of the Universe when He-Man and Skeletor had to work together to fight a larger foe."

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Alexrd said:

Bingowings said:

I liked the Vong.

The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.

I'd stay away from most of the classics of science fiction and space opera if I were you then.

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evan1975 said:

Bingowings said:

A powerful enemy that would unite the remains of the Empire with the Alliance.

I ignore the EU, but several of my friends were really into it during before the PT came along.  They hated that element of the storyline and said it reminded them of "that episode of Masters of the Universe when He-Man and Skeletor had to work together to fight a larger foe."

Or when the USA and UK joined forces with the USSR to liberate Europe from and Asia from Fascism.

That was so implausible.

 

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Bingowings said:

evan1975 said:

Bingowings said:

A powerful enemy that would unite the remains of the Empire with the Alliance.

I ignore the EU, but several of my friends were really into it during before the PT came along.  They hated that element of the storyline and said it reminded them of "that episode of Masters of the Universe when He-Man and Skeletor had to work together to fight a larger foe."

Or when the USA and UK joined forces with the USSR to liberate Europe from and Asia from Fascism.

That was so implausible.

 

Well, it sort-of... was, if you recall that the USSR didn't join until Hitler broke the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact and probably wouldn't have if he hadn't.

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Welp:

 

Amid yesterday's massive announcement that Disney handed over $4.05 billion to call LucasFilm their own, the immediate predictions of such a merger's result have established a firmly forward-looking perspective. However, that keen attitude toward the “Star Wars” franchise may have overlooked some past decisions of LucasFilm's that could come back to haunt Disney, as the two industry giants now face from Fox a bit of thorny issue of rights over the film that started it all.

"Disney is the perfect place,” explained a LucasFilm associate yesterday, following their press conference. ”At Fox they just make movies. Fox doesn't have theme parks and huge brands. This is a good fit." At this stage in George Lucas' career, it's obvious his intent matches this assessment, and it also points to why Fox was never even approached when LucasFilm was set to sell. But when it comes to the inevitable Blu-ray box set after the new trilogy hits theaters starting 2015, the recently realized fact that Fox retains distribution rights to the original “Star Wars” -- as well as theatrical, nontheatrical and home video rights worldwide for the others through 2020 -- will undoubtedly pose a bit of an issue.

Word from Fox has been quiet following the sale, but in this case the company can keep its silence while they reap the benefits of laying a blow to Disney's intensive home-video rollouts. The 3D versions of 'Attack of the Clones' and 'Revenge of the Sith' will still hit theaters next fall as planned via Fox, but as far as Lucas' hopes of keeping the “Star Wars” story contained on home video, it won't be until a deal is reached between Fox and Disney that any such option can exist. Or they can just wait -- rights for the film revert back to Disney in 2020.

Still, as far as the audience is concerned, 'A New Hope' will (hopefully) remain unchanged from its most recent Blu-ray release, but in the manner of everyone else surrounding the sale, we'll keep eyes trained instead on what surprises the next near-decade holds.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/box-sets-just-got-complicated-rights-for-star-wars-a-new-hope-still-held-by-fox-20121031

 

2020, my friends. Lets just wait it out.

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Adium said:

2020, my friends. Lets just wait it out.

7+ years?!

But I was going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!

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TheBoost said:

I remain mostly optimistic. 

  • Worst case scenario, anything Disney makes is poor to mediocre. So are most movies. I'd rather watch a mediocre Star Wars movie than "Battleship."

 

 I'm not disagreeing with you... but have you seen Battleship?

Oh, and welcome back!  TheSluggo has missed you.

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Oldfan said:

yoda-sama said:

Perhaps originaltrilogy.com should consider becoming a private, member's only site to help protect it from the eye and ire of Disney.  Lucasfilm was good enough to fan edits, but Disney probably won't so much...  What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Bad idea. It will just draw more attention and make it look like we have something to hide. We have not needed to hide up until now. To do so now would be a bad idea. Do you really believe private sites can't be infiltrated?

 

It is not that I believe private sites cannot be infiltrated, but having a disclaimer that must be read and agreed to before gaining entry could help against someone building a case so easily.  It is just a thought, and others have had good points that this site doesn't actually link to anything questionable...

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Alexrd said:

That's why I don't like the PT and worry about Lucas's presence. Lucas appears to not understand Star Wars. It's like a bunch of wild ideas materialized.

 Fixed?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Bingowings said:

Or when the USA and UK joined forces with the USSR to liberate Europe from and Asia from Fascism.

That was so implausible.

 

My friends went on to list other comparisons, like "when the Autobots and Decepticons had to join forces to stop Unicron", when the Super Friends and Legion of Doom had to join forces to stop some evil witch, etc.

In short, it's a worn-out trope that's often employed by Saturday morning cartoons.

Other fans hate them because they were too "sci-fi" and not "sci-fantasy".

Personally, I think there's a lot of mileage left in the Sith still.  All the Darth characters were great, IMHO, just underused and undeveloped in the PT.  We really don't know anything about them (except for the EU) yet.  Have them get rid of the silly "only two there are" rule and let them really cut loose.

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yoda-sama said:

Oldfan said:

yoda-sama said:

Perhaps originaltrilogy.com should consider becoming a private, member's only site to help protect it from the eye and ire of Disney.  Lucasfilm was good enough to fan edits, but Disney probably won't so much...  What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Bad idea. It will just draw more attention and make it look like we have something to hide. We have not needed to hide up until now. To do so now would be a bad idea. Do you really believe private sites can't be infiltrated?

 

It is not that I believe private sites cannot be infiltrated, but having a disclaimer that must be read and agreed to before gaining entry could help against someone building a case so easily.  It is just a thought, and others have had good points that this site doesn't actually link to anything questionable...

I agree with you half-way. That is, I think this website should stay public, but some of the more high-profile projects should follow -1s model of establishing a private invite-only website to share the nitty-gritty details and hype prior to release.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

I thought Fox owned Ep. 4 in perpetuity?? no?

yes, Fox retains ep IV rights in perpetuity.  Empire and Jedi distribution rights turn back over to Disney in 2020.  That being said, I'm sure Fox and Disney could work out a deal to include Ep IV on any future releases.

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Note: I wrote this yesterday before Sandy took out my internet. Sorry if I say anything that has already been covered.

Jesus Christ. Unbelievable. 

My first reaction to this was, of course, negative. Why add on to the six film cycle? Oddly enough, I was just thinking the other day about how the big franchises (Bond, Batman, Spiderman) will be making movies forever, simply because they will keep making money. But Star Wars won’t. SW will stay at six, because Lucas wants to keep the integrity of the series (PT quality aside). Which is crazy, because SW is arguably the most popular movie series of all time. I thought that another movie was bound to be made, but I thought it wouldn’t be for a few decades, not a few years. And Disney. The first thing I thought when I heard that was “more Jar Jar, more Ewoks.”

But then I thought some more. Nobody was happy when Disney acquired Marvel, but their first movie together, The Avengers, was amazing. They’re just the distributor. I’ll wait until we learn who’s behind the new films to pass judgment.

As for now, I’m optimistic. Lucas says he wants to hand SW over to the next generation. What does the next generation love? The OT. I think the chances of us seeing the unaltered trilogy on BD have dramatically increased. Remember how Lucas used to say “SW is mine, and I don’t want to make anymore movies, so no more SW movies”? Out the window. So if Lucas is giving SW away, why wouldn’t “SW is mine, and it will be released the way I want” go out the window too? And doesn’t Disney like money? Won’t the OOT make a ton of money on BD?

I can only hope. As I do for the ST (can we start to call it that now?). If the people working on it have names that do not rhyme with Leorge Gucas, then I think we can assume that they are people who love the original trilogy. So why wouldn’t they make the ST like the OT, especially considering the fact that it will be based after it. I mean, seriously, what SW fan would want to make SW movies that resemble the PT? 

So I guess the question is, what will we actually see? Well, I’m guessing (more like hoping) the original cast will be back, and their age will be acknowledged. I’m not really too sure if I want them to have a large role or not. I feel like the new trilogy should focus on different characters, thought they should be there, to some extent. I just don’t know if I would want to watch the adventures of an old, slightly overweight Luke Skywalker (no offense to Mark Hamill, guy’s awesome). Of course, there are ways to make them appear younger. Make up, I think, should be out of the question. I’m sure people will bring it up, but I think the de-aging process used in movies like Tron: Legacy just won’t work either if they’re used for such main roles. Of course they could make the whole movies animated, but I wouldn’t really like that, and I don’t think I’m alone here. 

More content wise, this could be bad news for fans of the EU. I just have a hard time believing they would adapt EU stories for a new SW trilogy. I just think a new trilogy is too big of a deal to just adapt some SW tie-in book (no offense to stuff like the Thrawn trilogy, books’ awesome). People going to new SW movie want new stories. I guess the question here is whether or not they can make new stories without shitting on the established verse.

I think this means some other thing too. I think we can expect to see all of the 3D OT in 2014, or, at least, it would make sense if we did. And when EpVII lands in 2015, it better be memorial day weekend. And one other thing, that greatly saddens me: so I’m finally coming to terms with the fact that I will be traveling to a galaxy far, far, away in three years time, but it won’t be quite the same. It just won’t be a true Star Wars opening without that 20th Century Fox fanfare (thankfully, I can bet that all of the inevitable ST fanedits will remedy this).

 

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After initial HOLY F**k reaction this might not be so bad. If fox has the rights to the existing movies and Lucasfilm keeps operating as independent unit then these excellent projects on this site probably can continue, which is the main priority to me out of anything SW-related.

As for new movies, the universe is large enough to tell new stories and it's interesting to see minimal Lucas influenced movies. Could be good. I don't think there is need to follow EU that closely though. I read the books up until first NJO trilogy when I was younger and never cared about them that much. Didn't they have like 3 new Death Stars in books. New republic was still using the same ships as rebellion. The EU didn't seem to have enough of it's own life. And lizards blocking the force..I think they should do their own thing with Ep. 7.

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Won’t the OOT make a ton of money on BD?

As an OTer, we tend to think this way, but reading the reviews of the current BD set on Amazon really makes me think the general public just doesn't give a damn. It's sad.

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It's entirely possible SW/Empire 3D happen in 2014 and Jedi happens the first half of 2015 to lead up to the new film.

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Dazman said:

After initial HOLY F**k reaction this might not be so bad. If fox has the rights to the existing movies and Lucasfilm keeps operating as independent unit then these excellent projects on this site probably can continue, which is the main priority to me out of anything SW-related.

As for new movies, the universe is large enough to tell new stories and it's interesting to see minimal Lucas influenced movies. Could be good. I don't think there is need to follow EU that closely though. I read the books up until first NJO trilogy when I was younger and never cared about them that much. Didn't they have like 3 new Death Stars in books. New republic was still using the same ships as rebellion. The EU didn't seem to have enough of it's own life. And lizards blocking the force..I think they should do their own thing with Ep. 7.

Yea, you're probably right.  They can continue until 2020, so we have just over 7 years to finish all of these wonderful projects! Let's get crackin!

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I hope Disney doesn't kill off the major three.

looking for HDTV of the  Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.  Also HDTV of The Lord of the Rings trilogy