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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I'm kinda of the mind that they were Clones for a while, but eventually, Palpatine got tired of spending th money producing more and started to force the people of various worlds into his servitude, so while there are still some of the original clones as storm troopers (ie: the head whacking), there are also a lot of guys who are Joe Blow off the street, who don't want to be there.
It would explain why they are so skilled in EP II, and can't hit the broad side of a barn with an ion cannon by EP IV.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Lucas stated in the commentary for Attack of the Clones that the stormtroopers are clones of Jango.
George Lucas stated in the commentary for the Attack of the Clones DVD that they were clones.
In the Attack of the Clones commentary he referes to them as stormtroopers.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
Bravo Luke.
That's precisely what made the Empire the dominant force in the Galaxy. The fact that they were all but the only prevailing ideology in the Galaxy meant that if you wanted a government job you joined the Academy and became a part of the Empire. Kevin Smith's characters talk at length about this in one of his films, Clerks I think.
Plus to suggest that the troopers are still clones would be to imply that the 'clone wars' were still going on. But Luke and Ben clearly state in the film from 20 years ago that those wars took place around the time that Obi-Wan and Anakin were friends.
Never mind what some revisionist, plaid-clad, bearded, shut-in says now on an audio-commentary, the fact is that the screen story itself reveals the truth.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
The "Clone Wars" are the name of the battles between the Republic and the Confederacy. Just because clones are still used doesn't make these the clone wars. Whether they were originally meant to be clones is irrelevent. Point is now they are clones.
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I want an explaination of why Leia wasn't afraid of Luke in stormtrooper costume if they weren't clones.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
She didn't fear Vader or Tarkin much either, if you actually watch the film you notice that she's a pretty fascetious and headstong little minx. She was on death row and the sight of a shorter than usual trooper amused her, it was gallows humor. She had nothing left to lose and she wasn't going out on her knees like a little bitch.
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
How about this, they were bad shots because he didn't want his stars to die, but he wanted action and the threat of danger. Umm, isn't that all movies that the bad guys are bad shots? Lucas didn't have an elaborate plan. And yes you clarify based on what we have now, and what George is trying to edit out of our OT now. The fact that GL will edit their voices to make them clones tells you...HE DIDN"T HAVE THIS IN MIND ORIGINALLY! Oh wait its too difficult to make people with masks have the same voice, no, no it really isn't. It's really 27 years ago it was A movie (1 movie) not a trilogy, not a PT, not a huge empire of fanfare and marketing. He's reworking as he goes and justifying...its at the root of what we all hate here...changing crap to make it fit.
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The fact that GL will edit their voices to make them clones tells you...HE DIDN"T HAVE THIS IN MIND ORIGINALLY!
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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The fact that GL will edit their voices to make them clones tells you...HE DIDN"T HAVE THIS IN MIND ORIGINALLY!
jimbo if that doesnt prove you wrong and have you admit that you are wrong for once....
than i dont know what else we can say....
maybe he wants them to be clones now... but they are not originally clones...
please just try and understand that...
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Its irrelevent whether they were originally clones or not. Now there clones. Maybe Darth Vader wasn't originally C-3P0s father but now he is.