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Kris, your versions have 5.1? Why did you do this? That is an abuse just as much as making it anamorphic. I believe it's better to simply present the original 2.0 track the way TR-47 has done it, uncompressed. You could use the extra space of a dual-layer set for the comm and/or alternative tracks ripped from other LDs - but I think it would be better to just have the one 2.0 track in uncompressed PCM and use the rest of the space available for video. No menus just chapter stops, preferably the original ones on the LDs (even though I know there's a lot of them).

I hope this is what LaserMan does. I agree with you, making the video anamorphic is an abuse of the source material. Make it progressive, yes, make it anamorphic, no. There are DVD players on the market for these kind of people that will turn non-anamorphic video into anamorphic on the fly.
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Originally posted by: DanielB

There are DVD players on the market for these kind of people that will turn non-anamorphic video into anamorphic on the fly.


Really? Which models?

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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"your versions have 5.1? Why did you do this? That is an abuse just as much as making it anamorphic. I believe it's better to simply present the original 2.0 track the way TR-47 has done it, uncompressed."

Have you forgotten that the video on these DVD's is MPEG-compressed, quite unlike the LD's? So much for "fidelity". //sigh

"There are DVD players on the market for these kind of people that will turn non-anamorphic video into anamorphic on the fly. "

Even if this were true (which it isn't), it would imply the very bastardization of the video you claim is a bad thing to begin with.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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: Have you forgotten that the video on these DVD's is MPEG-compressed, quite unlike the LD's? So much for "fidelity". //sigh

Of course not. But that's unaviodable.

: Even if this were true (which it isn't), it would imply the very bastardization of the video you claim is a bad thing to begin with.

It is true, and yes it is an abuse.
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"But that's unaviodable."

Does this mean you won't buy the official DVD's because the soundtrack is in 5.1? Do you listen to your LD's and DVD's in stereo?

BTW, how about posting a link to one of these new "magic anamorphic" players?

Oh, good news. When I use the capture program that came with the MainConcept MPEG encoder program, the resulting Huffy AVI and the Alparysoft AVI's are recognized by Vegas (and no frames were dropped in my test capture). This means I have a YUY2 capture. WOOHOO!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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yes we used some software called stienberg (great stuff if you can get a copy for free ) the damn linces cost over 1500.00 us dollars for it ahhhhhhhhh

but take the 2.0 track slide it in your cpu play with it and you will notice IT IS THE PCM AUDIO TRACK AND IT IS UNCOMPRESSED AND RAW BIT FOR BIT the 5.1 was done for market demand perpose

also let me send credit out to TR47 that was his controbution to the factory punch set he asked and he shall recieve
the pcm track was his idea

there is 2 audio tracks on the set

2.0(pcm)
5.1 remaster from stienberg
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tr47 drop my brother a line at kduwe@juno.com he will let you know how much for a set
i cant do much here for you it is out of my hands till i get home

we had talked about 35.00 shiped in usa and 43.00 to euro

volume is out of the ???? right now just went through a 1000 almost and broke even with time and money this yr

THIS PROJECT WAS WELL WORTH IT AND IM PROUD OF MY LITTLE DEATHSTAR
next run will have better menus

AND BEFORE I FORGET I GOT A SWEET ASS 35MM DRUM LAST MONTH WITH ALL YESSSSSSSSSSS ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF THE DELETED FOOTAGE FROM ALL 3 FILMS AND SOME OUTTAKESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


NEW PROJECT FOR 2005

using fox master tape ect this stuff is going to kickass i got a chance to review a feed last month when we picked up this little monster and the video looks GREAT!!!!! COLORS AND CONTRAST ARE ATLEAST 2 STEEPS BETTER than the lds

ON A SCALE OF 1-10
VHS -6
VCD-6
LD-7.5
FOX MASTER MONSTER TAPE-8.5 HEHHEHEHE

will be working on it when i get home

kai has some stuff going now but since my divorce is not finall and money is down we have to take it slow kais fed rap is done now so he is back in bussiness

TALK TO YOU SOON
KRIS

CHEERS

AND MAKE SURE YOU HUG A CC IF YOU SEE ONE
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I agree with you, making the video anamorphic is an abuse of the source material. Make it progressive, yes, make it anamorphic, no. No offense, DanielB, but calling a change from non-anamorphic to anamorphic an "abuse" is pretty misinformed. Even if the source is non-anamorphic, the re-encoding does translate to a sharper picture on a widescreen(-capable) monitor, especially larger ones. Seeing as how Star Wars is shot in one of the widescreen ratios (roughly 2.35:1), the change from letterbox to anamorphic is only natural. And the concept of making something progressive without anamorphic enhancement is ludicrous, unless the title is a full-screen (1.33:1) release, like a TV show/anime series or early film. Perhaps you need to visit some sites like http://widescreen.org or http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/ to refresh your knowledge of the subject.
There are DVD players on the market for these kind of people that will turn non-anamorphic video into anamorphic on the fly.
AFAIK, no DVD player can change a title from non-anamorphic to anamorphic. A lot of TVs, especially DTVs, use a stretch and/or zoom function combined with sharpening, but that's not the same. If you can provide evidence of a model that does, please let us know.

Of course, you sound pretty set in your ways, but almost any home-theater enthusiast will disagree with you. Maybe you're viewing a lot of material on a monitor that is either too small to show any change in sharpness or detail, or is incapable of the anamorphic squeeze. Even on a non-digital but squeeze-capable 32" TV, the difference is obvious to myself and almost everyone I know. On a widescreen large monitor or projector, it's almost night and day. Feel free to visit http://www.hometheaterforum.com for more information and/or discussion.
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Originally posted by: TR47
The copies I have are virtually identical to the LDs themselves-many people have stated this after watching them. I don't see how it could be better, as any transfer is limited to the equipment/software used and the source material.


i'm not being flippant, but the laserdiscs look appreciably better than any dvd bootleg i've seen. don't get me wrong, i enjoy the "tr47 set" and watch it frequently, and i grant that it's the best transfer to dvd-r i've yet to see, but they don't hold a candle to the laserdiscs on my system. this is using a new-ish 36 inch toshiba TV...not even flat screen and not HD. and then, when i compare stills on my computer with a capture card, the resolution is several factors better on the lasers (unless you're talking about the '89 non-THX version of the lasers, then they're about comparable). in short, the THX lasers are better, hands down, but if one wants the best available on dvd-r, i'd go with the TR47s.

as a side note, if anyone is in the market for a laserdisc player, i would recommmend the LD-V8000 unit. it is the best mass produced industrial player ever built, and they can be found relatively cheaply. the video on this unit is absolutely gorgeous. they also will last forever. check this link...
http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_ldv-8000/pioneer_ld-v8000.htm

EDIT: best of luck this weekend Rikter. btw, i am quite impressed with your sw inspired album. you're quite the badass mofo.

huzzah for archival THEATRICAL OT!!!
it is our duty to preserve star wars history...

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Rikter,

Goodluck with your kid. Damn, I'm a daddy in making, so I'm full of sympathy for you dude.

And if you haven't had time for my DVDs, no bother. I can wait. Familly comes first.

TDL.
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new project from ld is harry and the hendersons

factory punch d5 or d9
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I think by making it anamorphic he means that you can zoom in?

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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^^^ That's what I'm guessing, but DVD players have had that feature from day 1, and it has nothing to do with creating an anamorphic picture.

Ooh, I think I fixed my colors. Capture vs. Mpeg
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Yeah, that's what makes it odd but it's on the only thing I can think of.

And it's not a DVD player feature, it's a TV feature.

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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DVD players have zoom as well. My Toshiba has 3 levels of zoom.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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nice work mebejedi. that looks nice. how'd you fix it?

huzzah for archival THEATRICAL OT!!!
it is our duty to preserve star wars history...

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Obviously I need to spell this out. Just as there are DVD players that are WM9 compat, Div-X compat, etc there are players that will TURN NON-ANAMORPHIC DVD VIDEO INTO ANAMORPHIC WHILE PLAYED ON THE FLY by interpolating the extra lines. Just in the same way some players will do PAL-60 and others will do true NTSC-2-PAL. Of course the difference between watching an anamorphic and non-anamorphic video is obvious. What is a few extra lines of interpolated resolution going to do for you? Make it look better on limited Widescreen TV's because you don't like scanlines? I for one don't mind scanlines at all. That argument is flawed.

Which will look better on a computer - which I might add is going to interpolate anyway? Widescreen TVs have not yet been refined. I can switch my monitor's resolution to 320x200 and have no scanlines on it - picture information will be as dense as it is at 1152x864. If I want to play a game that's in 320x200 do you think it'll look better to interpolate it to 320x240? Of course not! It'll look horrid. All you're complaining about is a limitation of the current technology that doesn't allow TVs to switch between resolutions the way monitors do. One day that will be corrected. Until that day it's no use adapting bootlegs to look better on today's technology at the expense of what it'll look like on tomorrow's technology.

And for that reason the resolution should not be changed. As for the 5.1 remix, the argument is simple. Anyone with a surround sound setup can enjoy the Dolby-Prologic-II soundtrack in all it's glory. The 5.1 the DVDs are using, I'm assuming, are down-converted from 6 or 8 channel surround sound. You cannot up-convert surround sound. This is why I hated our local release of The Terminator - it's remixed using new and different sounds. Okay it's a great soundtrack, but they didn't give us the mono track which was the original track experienced in cinemas, and the original part of the film. They didn't make the 5.1 using just the soundtrack, or even using 100% existing material. Why not? Because it's hard enough to convert mono to stereo let alone 5.1. Converting 4.0 to 5.1 is just like interpolating non-anamorphic to anamorphic. Okay so all the sounds are there and you aren't creating mid-way pitches; that's not what I mean - what I mean is all you're doing is spreading the original material out, thusly leaving gaps filled with the interpolated stuff. Therefore it will never sound as good as the original Prologic-II soundtrack.
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New poster here, but I've been following the discussions on this forum for awhile. I'm thinking about buying another bootleg set, and I was wondering if any of you have experience with playing these on an Xbox (my primary DVD player at the moment, besides my laptop's). I have an older set of Asian bootlegs (audio-video sync problems and all), and the Xbox has a very hard time reading these DVD-R's (plays them only once in a "blue moon" for some reason).

I'm thinking about going for the TR47 set, but I'm worried that my Xbox will have a hard time reading these also. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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What is a few extra lines of interpolated resolution going to do for you? Make it look better on limited Widescreen TV's because you don't like scanlines? I for one don't mind scanlines at all. That argument is flawed.
I think you're confused about how anamorphic widescreen works for DVDs. It doesn't add any additional lines, and the DVD player doesn't convert anything. It's the monitor that does that. Most players will downconvert anamorphic to regular letterbox or zoom in, but that's just adding black space, not adding or subtracting extra lines. Like multiple people have mentioned, you give us the model number(s), and we'll take your word on these magical anamorphic-converting players.

I'm with you on the whole audio conversion thing, although when it's done right by the studios (i.e. a good remix and the original soundtrack included) it can come out pretty decent. One thing you got wrong was that the original DVDs were in lossless 2-channel PCM, not compressed DD2.0. I'm not a fan of the 5.1 remixes people have done of the laserdiscs, since only the SE LDs had DD5.1, but the Definitive anamorphic's DD2.0 doesn't sound too bad. Apparently TR47's uses the original PCM, which sounds awesome. I have a clone of the Pioneer CLD-D704, the absolute best non-Elite LD player in terms of A/V quality, and my Definitive LDs sound baaaaad-ass.

ETA: Is the top pic your conversion, MeBeJedi? It looks pretty damn awesome.
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the factory punch dual layer set will play on your player it has been tested and teested

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LittleWing-try this website:
VideoHelp
I use Ritek G05 media, which should be compatible, but game units are poor DVD players at best.
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TR47-

Thanks for that site address. There's a lot of good info there. I'll let you know if I decide to order a set.



Kristthemovieman-
Which set are the "factory punch dual layer set?" Are these the ones that "endorforest" was selling? If not, where may I found reviews on this set, and where/who offers them? Thanks!
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little wing you just mailed or replyed to the person also the endo fuc*s dumbasssss bought 200 sets from him to help him recoup his investment cost and they posted on google out of all places
didnt last long hehe

little wing they bought the fisrt batch run from him about 3 months ago
Wow factory punch not dvdr!
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also word is out for 35.00 i belive his brother is selling off the last few sets now i got one last week
and not bad
I had the pleasure of watching tr47s and the dual layers at kristhemoviemans house a few months ago
not bad we watched them on a 27 36 34hd and a 46 hd tube yes tube not fuc*ing projection kris is a fereak for highend import tvs and i was impressed with both but the coverart and fold out are better on the fac punch set they cost the same so get as much as you can for your $ dont go by my word i dont know shit if it sounds good and looks good im happy shit i will seat through a cap b movie if its good
and watch it allllllll

you can contact his brother he is all over the net if you drop him pm at embo_1@netzero.com

im also telling you up front no insults and be warned he will talk your ear offfffffff



Wow factory punch not dvdr!
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go home Joe and get out of my house jackass and dont be messing with my dog if its knocked up when i get home we will be having a little talk

good to hear from you .........................................................................................................

hey ask your girlfirend at loeks for 3-5 empty canisters if you can get them drop off and put them in the garage or pole barn


Did you pay for the movie ????
no freebiessssssss you owe me 100.00