Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal — Page 62

TServo2049 said:

The Blu-ray cropping is different than the GOUT. Some shots may have been reframed for the 97SE, or the 2004 version, but in general, it seems that the 2004/11 transfer is positioned a bit higher and more to the left than the GOUT.

EDIT: Here are the cropping estimates I promised: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/post/595678/#TopicPost595678

The more GOUT framing estimates I do, the more I see that the cropping is very consistent, and not as severe as your original comparisons imply.

good deal,

and thanks for that.. overall it might not be as severe,

but there are frames that exhibit that large amount,

overall it's still probably 5-15% throughout the movie.

later

-1

(ps : almost done with the test reel:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/595724/#TopicPost595724

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I trust you guys to get the cropping right. It's not like seeing slightly more of the frame than we've been seeing for the past 30 something years is going to add anything significant to our lives =)

Like was mentioned at the blog, films are purposly shot to have extra "throwaway" area around the edges. We only have situations like Puggo's transfers because he tried to keep as much information from the already severely cropped picture as possible (which actually looks much nicer on my TV, the overscan covers the edges up completely).

TServo2049 said:

I think there's some kind of distortion in the GOUT transfer, where it's more squeezed on the edges than in the middle...

That is correct, noticed that when I corrected the AR for my Technidisc. I wonder if the '77 crawl/opening shot on the GOUT is distorted as well? The egg-shaped moon look suspicious, it has been mentioned that this was an characteristic of the original '77 composite but after seeing the distortion in the GOUT transfer I wonder if that is true even if the source of the opening is something different than the '93 master.

Yeah, the distortion is there and it's not just the side either, it's the top and the bottom too. It simply has a curve to it, centered somewhere on the left of the frame. I wish it could be compensated for somehow because it always gives me hell when trying to do GOUT/SE composites, especially stuff like the lightsabre duel, where there's movement of the composited element along the whole frame. I had to keep realigning.

On the other hand the distortion is not big enough to throw off the cropping percentages taken from overlaying it with an undistorted source in any significant way.

hey,

i appreciate accuracy.

and i WANTED people to inspect the findings.

it's never wrong to post what you find.

we're here to learn things. so don't apologize.

keep posting what you find.

i look forward to new findings and corrections.

what you see is the original screencaps

from the english VOB version. i take it

you are using the same?

later

-1

(ps. and one last one for the road:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/595891/#TopicPost595891

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TServo2049 said:

negative1 said:

 

what you see is the original screencaps

from the english VOB version. i take it

you are using the same?

For GOUT reference, I am using my copy of DarkJedi's V3 DVD.

I'm going to do more examples of the GOUT framing as compared to your high-resolution images from the color timing thread. I'll link to them here once I've posted them in the cropping thread.

not that it should make much of a difference.. still..

but why not just use the official GOUT DVD'S?

that's the source reference.

later

-1

TServo2049 said:

I guess I use V3 because it's anamorphic.

Maybe you're right, maybe I should use the official GOUT discs, because I have those too. I didn't know there was any cropping difference, however small.

Here's my first test with the high-res images: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/post/595901/#TopicPost595901

if you haven't seen these already,

go check them out. very nicely done!

later

-1

on the issue of cropping.

since we were able to screen it a theater recently,

cinch was able to get an idea of how it was going

to look like because of the projection and what  was

acceptable to crop.

i think there was a little more off the sides, and not

to much of the top portions.

once i get more details about that i will post them.

later

-1

we will still post the occasional

update or details here.

however for more current,

and in-depth discussion.

it will be found on the private

blog that will be forthcoming.

there's still a long road for the

rest of those projects.

Princess Leia: It's not over yet. 
Han Solo: It is for *me*, sister. Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, 

later

-1

team_negative1 said:

It looks like we have access to another print of The Empire Strikes Back. Will come in handy down the road when the time comes.

So that makes it three prints that we will combine to get the best version created.

Team Negative1

Awesome!

Definitely concatenate the best parts of each rather than trying something like (average|median)-of-three. Image registration is way too difficult and film distorts in strange ways, as you already know.

team_negative1 said:

It looks like we have access to another print of The Empire Strikes Back. Will come in handy down the road when the time comes.

So that makes it three prints that we will combine to get the best version created.

Team Negative1

team_negative1 said:

It looks like we have access to another print of The Empire Strikes Back. Will come in handy down the road when the time comes.

So that makes it three prints that we will combine to get the best version created.

Team Negative1

 Be sure to let us know the details, when you get them \m/

Nice.  From what I've seen, you need it.