Cutting the extended Vickers/Weyland scene was nuts, it completely scuppers a large portion of the final act.
By the looks of things there are more unused material out there (the shot of the Engineer reading a book looked very Mary Shelley).
So anyone else think Fox is double dipping on us?
Bingowings said:
Cutting the extended Vickers/Weyland scene was nuts, it completely scuppers a large portion of the final act.
By the looks of things there are more unused material out there (the shot of the Engineer reading a book looked very Mary Shelley).
So anyone else think Fox is double dipping on us?
I agree about the Vickers/Weyland scene. I also felt the more you understood him as a character and saw performance like that, the less distracting the makeup seemed. Between that and the extended Engineer awakening scene, Weyland develops as a character a lot more. I wish they kept at least some of that.
Not having the release yet, is that still shot of the Engineer reading from the book not in the deleted scene? I saw that still and thought what a brilliant moment, would be disappointing if it wasn't at least in the alternate ending.
It seems like half the deleted material is forgetable--no wonder they refilmed and cut so much of Holloway's scenes, he's just enough of an asshole in the final film to prove one of the films points, but he just comes across a complete jerkoff in the original material--while the other half would have likely improved the film if at least part of it was included. With the run-time of the theatrical cut being very, very close to two hours exactly, I'm sure that was a studio thing of "you can make it how you want, just make it two hours." Another ten minutes of breathing room would probably add a little bit more to the film.
Bingowings said:
So anyone else think Fox is double dipping on us?
During a press event for the Blu-ray and DVD release of Prometheus (hat tip to BleedingCool for coverage), the question of a possible Prometheus: Director’s Cut was posed to Charles De Lauzirika, who headed up the production of the release’s ‘making of’ segments. De Lauzirika replied that Fox had requested Scott create an extended cut incorporating the more than 30 minutes of deleted scenes back into the film, which the director refused. His reasoning: he had made the film he wanted to, and all cut content was left out for a reason.
Also of interest:
A total lack of Xenomorphs in what is ostensibly an Alien movie was a nagging issue among fans, but oddly enough, Spaihts claims “a lot of that push came from the studio very high up” in an effort to make something fresh, not “one more franchise film.” It’s not every day that a studio urges filmmakers to not repeat the formula or characters from a successful franchise, so perhaps it’s worth re-examining the film in the light of Scott’s commitment to what was cut and kept, and Fox’s wish to make something unbound from canon.
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563
Jon Spaihts interview with Empire. Definitely worth reading IMO.
re: double dipping - iirc there was one part from the trailers I've not seen anywhere else - with Shaw and Holloway at the dig site. So I guess it's possible..
And wasn't Peter Weyland originally meant to be in the background of the Fifield attack scene?
The engineer doesn't look at the books in the extended scene - he walks in and runs his hand through the chandelier - he seems as amazed with that as David is with the map holograms...then Shaw hits him with the axe - a LOT - then she unleashes the squid.
Yes but the book reading was shot just not included, ergo my double dip comment.
In the trailers you also have the chalice from the beginning of the film resting on the altar where the green jewel is in the theatrical cut.
Bingowings said:
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So anyone else think Fox is double dipping on us?
Hmmmm....a major studio releasing multiple versions of the same movie?
They don't do that......do they?
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Bingowings said:
Yes but the book reading was shot just not included, ergo my double dip comment.
In the trailers you also have the chalice from the beginning of the film resting on the altar where the green jewel is in the theatrical cut.
Yeah, I was agreeing with you. It exists in some form but was not included.
Here's something else i just noticed -
What's happened to his face? - interesting to note that the bit where she hits the panel to open the door is different in each version, both the extended and theatrical versions of the scene cut right from his face looking normal to scarred.
The burns can't be from the crash otherwise David would be more damaged (remember Space Jockey wears a helmet).
So presumably Shaw does something to him in another deleted scene to get him burned up (Vodka and cigarettes?).
As mentioned earlier one of the trailers seems to show Shaw running over mutant Fifield's head so either that scene was original integrated with Holloway's death scene or it at one point took place as they head out for the bone ship.
Just saw this movie so maybe it has already been brought up on this thread but it seems wrong that the engineer got out of the chair that controls the ship.
In Alien we see the engineer sitting in the chair and so in Prometheus when the engineer sits in the chair and puts the helmet on I thought, " oh so the chip crashed and the folks in Alien see him dead in the chair." But he got out of the chair and ended up dying outside of the ship...so who is in the chair in Alien? Seems like an obvious blunder that everyone creating the film should have noticed way before filming even began.
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That would have worked if it was set on the same planet as Alien (it's not), but then you'd have the implausibility of fossilization occuring in a few decades instead of hundreds of years. Of course, the premise of Prometheus is implausible in the first place so maybe people would let that slide, it's hard to pin down these sorts of technicalities when some are accepted and some seem hard to swallow, personally I feel that would violate the movie's logic somehow, although I probably would not be complaining too loudly if they did go that way.
What interests me more is the fact that the engineer in Alien is of different design and proportions than in Prometheus. It's at least 25% larger, and it's not an astronaut sitting in the chair, the astronaut is the chair. I think this is one of the most overlooked aspects of Giger's design in that he seems to be implying that the being is part of the ship, that the ship itself is alive, which explains all the bone shapes and organic parts to it, and the beings and the ship are basically one and grow into each other using some sort of technology we can't even really grasp. I guess this is similar to the BSG ships that appear to be craft but are actually organic beings. Because even though Dallas says it looks like it has grown on to the chair, it hasn't, the chair design actually overlaps into his body as one cohesive design. In fact, if you look at the proportions, it doesn't even look like his legs could "fit" in the chair, it's like this weird being growing out of some sort of pod on the ship.
I'm sure though that they were originally prepared to ignore that, and the original script certainly seems to have.
I've noticed though that in the scene where David finds the pod cargo hold near the end, the gate he passes through has two enormous guardian statues that hold an uncanny resemblance to that original Alien astronaut, as long as you accept that it wasn't part of the ship itself but a being sitting in the chair. They shrunk down the engineer for Prometheus, changed his design and changed the design of the chair as well as his space suit. But then there are those giant statues that look a bit different. Maybe there are more than one type of Engineer? Would that be related to the giant head in the pod room? It has religious overtones, and the "engineer" artifact in Alien realistically would have been thousands of years old. Lots of interesting questions raised. I think Prometheus 2 may have some additional clues....or maybe they just accepted a few design inconsistencies. Personally I think either possibility is equally likely to be true.
zombie84 said:
That would have worked if it was set on the same planet as Alien (it's not), but then you'd have the implausibility of fossilization occuring in a few decades instead of hundreds of years.
Good point.
Of course, the premise of Prometheus is implausible in the first place so maybe people would let that slide, it's hard to pin down these sorts of technicalities when some are accepted and some seem hard to swallow, personally I feel that would violate the movie's logic somehow, although I probably would not be complaining too loudly if they did go that way.
What interests me more is the fact that the engineer in Alien is of different design and proportions than in Prometheus. It's at least 25% larger, and it's not an astronaut sitting in the chair, the astronaut is the chair. I think this is one of the most overlooked aspects of Giger's design in that he seems to be implying that the being is part of the ship, that the ship itself is alive, which explains all the bone shapes and organic parts to it, and the beings and the ship are basically one and grow into each other using some sort of technology we can't even really grasp. I guess this is similar to the BSG ships that appear to be craft but are actually organic beings. Because even though Dallas says it looks like it has grown on to the chair, it hasn't, the chair design actually overlaps into his body as one cohesive design. In fact, if you look at the proportions, it doesn't even look like his legs could "fit" in the chair, it's like this weird being growing out of some sort of pod on the ship.
I'm sure though that they were originally prepared to ignore that, and the original script certainly seems to have.
I've noticed though that in the scene where David finds the pod cargo hold near the end, the gate he passes through has two enormous guardian statues that hold an uncanny resemblance to that original Alien astronaut, as long as you accept that it wasn't part of the ship itself but a being sitting in the chair. They shrunk down the engineer for Prometheus, changed his design and changed the design of the chair as well as his space suit. But then there are those giant statues that look a bit different. Maybe there are more than one type of Engineer? Would that be related to the giant head in the pod room? It has religious overtones, and the "engineer" artifact in Alien realistically would have been thousands of years old. Lots of interesting questions raised. I think Prometheus 2 may have some additional clues....or maybe they just accepted a few design inconsistencies. Personally I think either possibility is equally likely to be true.
Very interesting. The last time I saw Alien was about 2-3 years ago. As a movie I thought Prometheus was decent (pretty good if you compare it to other recent scifi movies). As an Alien movie I would say it's alright. (god anything is better that Aliens 3 and 4). I like that it doesn't try to be just another movie in the Alien series as someone mentioned above.
Prometheus 2 is a for sure thing?
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Prometheus was designed as a duo of films, depending on if the first one was successful, and the film has been very profitable so far. Prometheus 2 has not been officially green-lit as far as I know, but the wheels certainly seem to be in motion and Scott has talked about it a lot. It depends on Sir Scott's schedule right now more than anything.
I really can't see how Prometheus is better than even the studio mangled theatrical cut of Alien 3, let alone the extended one.
Both have pretty cringe worthy dialogue and some flaky characters but the prisoners are prisoners, not the hand picked crew of a quadzillionaire's scientific research vessel.
Both have atmosphere and a strong central performance but for me at least Alien 3 is much better.
It was obviously not the same bone ship but I think that a lot of people have been fooled into thinking it's the same ship because of it's history of once being the same ship in the original UAP script.
Having the DVD a bare bones release and only the Blu-Ray having the making of documentary is another dick move.
I'm tempted to not even purchase the DVD now, I'm certainly not in a hurry.
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There was definitely a consideration to add Tyrell in some fashion. Ridley suggested the company be Weyland-Tyrell. and then there is this -
- Source is Bluray documentaries. There's a goldmine of details on this set.
I've not listened to it myself, but a friend tells me that in his audio commentary on the Blade Runner blu-ray, Scott says he always imagined the world of Blade Runner being the Earth that the Nostromo would return to.
Can anyone confirm this? If not, I'll force myself to watch Blade Runner with the audio commentary sometime soon.
Your brain just makes s**t up!
A fate worse than death? Having your head digitally replaced with that of Hayden Christensen!
The world of Alien is odd.
The Nostromo has this great big refinery on the back for processing mineral ores which it has extracted a great distance away from Earth.
This suggests that it's financially worth Weylan Yutani's while, so either it forbidden by extreme regulation to mine more locally or our native system (and any colonies we have beyond the Solar system) are so depleted that we have to cast a wider net.
Which doesn't make sense in the time frame we now have thanks to Prometheus.
So if these Mega Corps are highly regulated to the extent that they have to pick up ores from other star systems, who is regulating these companies?
Strong national governments goes against the evil corporation model the series is pushing.
It's debatable if Tyrell is forced to allow human Deckard investigate his company or if he sets replicant Deckard up with false memories to investigate other missing replicants for the sake of Tyrell's safety.
If that concession to the law is a political illusion maybe these 'limitations' to local ore mining are to prevent corporate wars or something.
If Tyrell can implant the memories of others into replicant brains what's stopping Weyland from having a mind scan and just duplicating himself at the point of near death for all eternity?
Why would it be because of over-regulation? That doesn't make much sense. It would probably be due to depletion of natural resources, which Blade Runner seems to be going with.
I think deep space natural resource collection in any scenario would due to scarcity on earth, and not something as random as over-regulation.
The solar system has thousands of years (probably millions of years) worth of mineral ores in it.
Even if you went wild with technology.
As I say in the time frame now given to us depletion makes no sense.
Maybe there was some accident mining asteroids or draining gas giants but regulation as a means to prevent corporate wars isn't 'random' it has historical precedent (East India Company anyone?).
Are Vasquez and Drake finally convinced to hold their fire?
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theprequelsrule said:
Are Vasquez and Drake finally convinced to hold their fire?
That fire was a gift from the titan Prometheus, a gift he stole from the gods. When Prometheus was caught and brought to justice for his theft, the gods, well, you might say they overacted a little. The poor man was tied to a rock,
as and eagle
ripped through his belly and ate his liver over and over, day after day, ad infinitum. All because he gave us fire. Our first true piece of technology, fire...