darth_ender said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
darth_ender said:
And I am aware of your (DuracellEnergizer's) view on human life--quite existential if I remember correctly (can't remember where I read that, maybe earlier in this thread?). I'm equally curious as to your views on euthanasia, eugenics, murder, etc., considering "humans are the source of everything wrong with this world," or something along those lines.
Yes, I am a supporter of euthanasia. If someone wants to die, then they should be allowed that right. I do wonder why those people want medical assistance to get the deed done, though, instead of just taking the matter into their own hands or getting a friend/family member to help them.
As for eugenics and murder ... I'll admit, I'm not comfortable with them, especially if the victim suffers physical violence/trauma while it happens. Unfortunately, I've been cursed with the burden of having to adopt moral nihilism/skepticism - the concept that morality doesn't exist, or, more optimistically, that morality may not exist. It's not a concept I'm happy or content with - it makes me sick to my stomach that I have to excuse the actions of people like Hitler or Charles Mason - but until I see some convincing evidence to show me otherwise, I'm stuck with having to say that neither eugenics nor murder are good or evil.
And, JFTR, summing up my antinatalism as simply being a belief that "humans are the source of everything wrong with this world", doesn't quite capture the depth of my opinions. Yes, I believe humans are seriously screwed up - that there is an underlying insanity which affects us all - and we have become little more than a malignant cancer on this planet. Beyond that, though, is something more; we may be victimizers, but we're also victims - victims of a horribly chaos-ridden universe, ultimately doomed to suffer and die senselessly as entropy rots the cosmos away. Overall, especially in this day and age, I think it's just callous to bring children into such a world.
I didn't respond to this. It's a sad view to me. I don't mean to judge you for it or anything, but it is truly depressing, and I can't believe that you truly believe it entirely, even if you have taken the philosophy of morality to its ultimate conclusions.
Yes, it is a sad, depressing view, so much so that it is literally a chore for me to wake up every morning; the fear of death is the only thing keeping me from pulling the plug, so to speak. I do have a hope, small though it may be, is that one day I'll find God, whoever He/She/It/They may be, and see that all my fears and trepidations were for nothing.
You clearly see that there are certain inescapable morals built into us genetically, even if you don't believe in a Supreme Being who governs right and wrong.
I suppose you could say that. I have the less idealistic view of seeing it all as a series of brain farts caused by bits of undigested beef and fragments of underdone potato and the like.