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i think i would almost prefer the widescreen version...
i mean ya TX is hot... but she doesnt have the nicest set on her...

the seem to sag a lot...


oh no... im starting to sound like jimbo!!
lol
KIDDING JIMBO!!!
haha
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Its not just that scene. The fullscreen version shows more on the top and bottom on every shot in the movie. Even effects shots. Terminator 3 is the exception to every rule.
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The effects shots were framed in 1.85:1. so they're cropped in both versions. Regardless of Super 35, if it's not in the OAR, I don't buy it. As simple as that.

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The effects shots were framed in 1.85 and both versions are equally cropped. All non effects shots were filmed in 1.33. As the example shows widescreen versions shows the least. The fullscreen version is actually the orginal aspect ratio. Its how the movie was filmed in.
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The OAR is whatever the filmmaker wished his film to be presented in. In this case it is the 2.35:1 version. It doesn't matter if the fullscreen version has more information. Coppola cut down Apocalypse Now from 2.35:1 to 1.85:1 for framing purposes.

And it was my understanding that T3 was shot in Super 35, not hard matted from 1.33:1. Anyone know for sure?

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Hard Matte 1.33. See my example above. In fact in some shots the fullscreen version shows more on the sides. First time thats ever happened. In my opinion whichever versions shows the most information is my prefered version.
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Everything I've seen about T3 says it's Super35. Where did you hear about it being hard matted?

Why do you choose the version that shows the most information? As illustrated above, that may not always be the directors intent. A Fish Called Wanda is also a perfect example of this.

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
Everything I've seen about T3 says it's Super35. Where did you hear about it being hard matted?

Why do you choose the version that shows the most information? As illustrated above, that may not always be the directors intent. A Fish Called Wanda is also a perfect example of this.


Tested it myself. Compared several internet widescreen shots with fullscreen shots of my DVD. In all shots with an effect in them like Judgement Day fullscreen appeared to show more on the top and bottom and widescreen showed more on the sides. In all non effect shots I could not find one where widescreen showed anything more on the sides. The widescreen version is a hack job. I always choose whatever version shows most of the movie. Which is normally widescreen. There are exceptions.
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So you'd take the 1.33:1 AR if the movie was soft matted? Showing more isn't always the best choice. It's whatever the director prefers. In A Fish Called Wanda, one of the films greatest jokes is totally ruined by opening the mattes for the fullscreen version. You call that better?

T3 is indeed Super35... don't know where you heard otherwise.

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
So you'd take the 1.33:1 AR if the movie was soft matted?

T3 is indeed Super35... don't know where you heard otherwise.


You are a very frustrating individuel. Its like you only read what you want to hear. I just said I did the test and it is soft matted. I didn't hear it from anyone I tested it myself.
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
So you'd take the 1.33:1 AR if the movie was soft matted?

T3 is indeed Super35... don't know where you heard otherwise.


You are a very frustrating individuel. Its like you only read what you want to hear. I just said I did the test and it is soft matted. I didn't hear it from anyone I tested it myself.


Sorry, bud. T3 was indeed filmed in Super35 and framed in Scope.

As to the DVD issue, well, after looking over it, I'm going to have to say the director simply reframed the DVD version for his own personal reasons. Fincher did the same thing with Se7en.

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As to the DVD issue, well, after looking over it, I'm going to have to say the director simply reframed the DVD version for his own personal reasons. Fincher did the same thing with Se7en.


did he really?
for all releases?
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He reframed a couple scenes, yeah. He talks about it on the DVD.

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He reframed a couple scenes, yeah. He talks about it on the DVD.


oh i thought you meant the whole movie...
phew....
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Originally posted by: jimbo
The effects shots were framed in 1.85 and both versions are equally cropped. All non effects shots were filmed in 1.33. As the example shows widescreen versions shows the least. The fullscreen version is actually the orginal aspect ratio. Its how the movie was filmed in.
Shut up Jimbo you stupid idiot. I suppose you'd prefer the un-matted version of The Princess Bride too?
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I have those boom mike shots in QuickTime. Good for a laugh.

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Nothing beats the pants in A Fish Called Wanda.

I've heard that for the DVD version the boom mic is removed.

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lol

Now I know you like winding people up on this site Jimbo, you've just confirmed it with that statement about the ending of T3. How was it emotional? How was it well done? It was absolutely, f***ing shocking, a complete set up for T4.

You make me laugh you annoying little bastard.......


The ending was geneous you annoying little fucker. It was very well done. Certainly alot better then Terminator 2s retarded lowering into the lava. Thats the stupidest ending. If I were John I would have dismantled him and examined him for weaknesses to prepare for the days I would have to fight them. Anything was better then lowering it into the level. Arnolds death scene in Terminator 3 made much more sense. Plus the line "You are Terminated" was very cool as was the T-Xs not me look. She just don't look so pretty without her skin.


ROFLMAO Yes Jimbo, it was 'geneous', it was the best ending I have ever seen.
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uhh... could ya'll explain the terms hard and soft matte please? I used to think there was just a matte period and not two types of mattes.
and I don't understand why filmmakers use super 35 in the first place. It's grainier and looks really sloppy on the final out. It just doesn't make much sense to shoot something and then have to re-frame it later. The shot should be properly framed before one frame of film is even exposed.
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
uhh... could ya'll explain the terms hard and soft matte please? I used to think there was just a matte period and not two types of mattes.
and I don't understand why filmmakers use super 35 in the first place. It's grainier and looks really sloppy on the final out. It just doesn't make much sense to shoot something and then have to re-frame it later. The shot should be properly framed before one frame of film is even exposed.


A hard matte is where the film is simply matted in a certain aspect ratio. If it's 1.85:1, it's 1.85:1 and that's that. A soft matted movie (or open matte) is where it is filmed in usually a 1.33:1 ratio, then is cut down for a theatrical release to whatever ratio the filmmaker wants (usually 1.85:1).

Super35 is simply another way of shooting footage. It gives it more a of a gritty look, and is used mostly in action movies. The shot is properly framed, monitors make sure of that. No director would ever just shoot something without it being framed properly.

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would Super35 be what they shot the movie Tigerland in?
or at least some of the more intense scenes?
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would Super35 be what they shot the movie Tigerland in?
or at least some of the more intense scenes?


According, to IMDB, no. But, we all know how accurate it is . You'd want to check the credits just to make sure, but it is in 1.85:1, so I doubt it.

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ahhh okay...
when u said "It gives it more a of a gritty look, and is used mostly in action movies." i just remember the picture having quiet a bit of grainy sorda scenes (which were done on purpose of course) so i just figured thats what you meant..

they're starting to really do that for war movies... sorda give them a dated look...
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they're starting to really do that for war movies... sorda give them a dated look...


That's different. They're not filming in Super35, they're either damaging their film, desaturating it, forcing grain, or combinations of them.

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In some cases they do film in Super 35 because they know that extra grain will result.

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