team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released) — Page 7

Molly said:

And for the record I'd like to give encoding a whack just for practice, just because the last DVD set I released (XP77 Beta) was a piece of junk and I'd like to make amends for it. xD

we're only going to have 2-3 soundtracks on there.

so anyone that want's to sync or create their own

adaptation (it will be pretty close to the GOUT, but

probably not quite).. is welcome to do so, unofficially.

later

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VideoPhonic said:

I think the BD25 option sounds great (as a BDMV file, correct?) and like -1 said I am curious to see how folks will embrace harmy's BD25 release. I'm all in favor of this because although I do not yet have a blu-ray burner, I'm confident my blu-ray program (or other video programs) on my computer will be able to play the file. That said, I hope other fans feel similarly because I can't imagine wanting to experience this in anything less than 1080p (though I'm sure a DVD-9 would still blow GOUT away).

Also, -1. What kind of work have you done with authoring/preparing to author the disc (menus, etc.), I'm mostly curious as to what style menu you're going for (personally I prefer something simple and classy, like darkjedi's V3 dvds).

Thanks again.

we haven't gotten to that point yet.

but it will be pretty minimalistic, since there's

not really a whole lot of options besides -> play,

a trailer, and couple of audio options..

TooMuchGarlic said:

I'm probably out of line, but I would put a vote for DTS-HD Master Audio as a preference for the audio, as I sadly don't have the proper hardware to listen to lpcm (my hardware only play that as stereo and not as surround).

It's just too cool that you are open to the idea of others adding to this project once it's released and I hope I can find someone who can add Danish subtitles to it and has a BR burner, so I can enjoy this wonderful project with friends and family like we should all really have been able to do with the official releases - the original unaltered movies.

well, i would think that all the projects on this board

are a community effort. there's too many resources

here that need to be used. and as long as there is

a standard (like GOUT) that can be used, it's easy

to synchronize them.

we are proposing a new improved standard, that's close, but

will probably not quite match that. so work will have to be

done, like on all the other soundtracks, subtitles, and

dubs to integrate them.

fortunately, there's a lot of hard working and competent

people that are donating their time and effort to do it,

so we don't have to do all that work by ourselves.

yeah, we're taking on a lot to do.

but the results and the rewards are worth it.

later

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TooMuchGarlic said:

I'm probably out of line, but I would put a vote for DTS-HD Master Audio as a preference for the audio, as I sadly don't have the proper hardware to listen to lpcm (my hardware only play that as stereo and not as surround).

It shouldn't be a problem with the mono and stereo tracks. Only the discrete surround 70mm mix will necessitate 5.1. The stereo track is 4 channels matrixed onto 2 channel stereo.

The size is debatable, but remember that most films on BD hardly ever use their full potential size on disc. Trying to grab a BD-25 size file is going to be tough enough for most everybody.

As for print quality, the only thing that really gets me is color fading/turning, but I can live with it usually because I know the source isn't in the best shape. Everything else couldn't bother me in the slightest. The real problems are things like film wobble, tears, missing frames etc.

captainsolo said:

As for print quality, the only thing that really gets me is color fading/turning, but I can live with it usually because I know the source isn't in the best shape. Everything else couldn't bother me in the slightest. The real problems are things like film wobble, tears, missing frames etc.

 

removing the fade was probably one of the easiest

things, as it was pretty light throughout the LPP.

we're not using the red test reels for anything

currently.

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there was  a question about sound conversion/transfer,

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Mono-Mix-Restoration-Project/post/593170/#TopicPost593170

here is the information from cinch:

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somebody asked how we get the sound off the prints (this was in the mono thread, you said that i'd get some more detailed info).

i'm using red led reverse scan heads, no processing whatsoever, recording at 48k/16bit/channel. then the speed gets adjusted for video (original is 24f/s, governor controlled), clicks and pops removed without cutting into the signal. if necessary, very light hiss reduction, as long as the signal doesn't get degraded.

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lpd said:

Wondering, is that normal/standard for the player to do that?

No.  And 24fps is the less-frequently-encountered framerate, so if a player was just buggy, I'd figure that would be the framerate that would screw it up.  It's possible there's some sort of problem at an intermediate layer, such as if you route your HDMI cable through a receiver.  But it's a bug.

I'd check for firmware updates if you already haven't.  Also I know of at least one player that will only output 60fps if the source is 720p, but can do 24p correctly for any 1080p source, something to do with a bug in the scaling.

lpd said:

Hey Neg, will the final product be 24 fps or 23.976?

I've noticed anything I've encoded at 23.976 my  (panasonic) Blu Ray player converts it to 60hz, its only discs at encoded at 24 it seems to play at 24.

we're working at 24fps i think.

i've gotten different test files for it.

so i'll make sure... especially for the

DVD version...which might be 23.976..

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negative1 said:

lpd said:

Hey Neg, will the final product be 24 fps or 23.976?

I've noticed anything I've encoded at 23.976 my  (panasonic) Blu Ray player converts it to 60hz, its only discs at encoded at 24 it seems to play at 24.

we're working at 24fps i think.

i've gotten different test files for it.

 

so i'll make sure... especially for the

DVD version...which might be 23.976..

 

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well, i went back and asked 

cinch for confirmation about it.

and.. the answer is 23.976 fps

for all the work..

there you go..

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hmm.

running some tests on this..

made a dual layer DVD version,

but it has glitches in my samsung player,

i'm using memorex DVD+R.

i'll try some other brands.. any suggestions?

also i'm using NERO vision to master the

discs. i'll try another program to see if that

was the problem.

the single layer version of this and empire

didn't seem to have any problems..

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negative1 said:

hmm.

 

running some tests on this..

made a dual layer DVD version,

but it has glitches in my samsung player,

i'm using memorex DVD+R.

i'll try some other brands.. any suggestions?

 

 

also i'm using NERO vision to master the

discs. i'll try another program to see if that

was the problem.

 

the single layer version of this and empire

didn't seem to have any problems..

 

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What kinds of glitches?

Also, how are you encoding to MPEG-2? I prefer HC Encoder myself.

Also, are you converting to the YV12 color-space prior to encoding in MPEG-2?

I've never had problems with Verbatim DL.  And I'd keep the burn speed to what it says on the disc (2.4x I think?).

Verbatim is the way to go. Even their lower-quality discs made in Taiwan (vs. the higher quality Singapore ones) more often than not turn out better than Memorex. And again - as suggested - do as slow a burn as possible. I'd bet you already knew that, but sometimes common sense advice is all you need.

I agree with SpilkaBilka and bkev: Verbatim is the best!

Another vote for Verbatim.  FWIW, layer breaks need to be over halfway through a movie (i.e. layer 1 must have more data than layer 2).  For maximum compatibility, don't use seamless layer changes, burn at no more than half the rated speed of the media, and look into bitsetting optons for your burner (some very old hardware players don't recognize certain media types, but you can make your DVD's appear to be DVD-ROMs).  None of that is gospel, it's just a laundry list and if you hit most of them you should be good.