STAR WARS - Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc) (Released) — Page 10

Would be interesting to see how the framing compares between the two pressings! The clip looked very nice!

It's cool frank678, I wasn't happy about my results on that saber shot either. The thing is that you are quite limited when working in YUV colorspace, and going from YV12 to RGB back to YV12 again is a lossy process, so I prefer to avoid it. It's one thing to color correct a single image in Photoshop for example but when working with video in YUV colorspace it gets a little more tricky.

Personally I don't think you should obsess too much over these timing issues, we know our Star Wars and how it should look but when you're starting to bring yourself into the "exact" shades of hues, color temperatures, saturation and contrast you will never find the 100% real answer, it looked slightly different in various theaters even in '77, there's even minor differences found between IB Tech prints. I understand your frustration, but just take a look at Puggo's 16mm prints and look past some of the fading in there, that's pure Star Wars... at least to me.

Chewie, I actually color corrected it quite a bit, I'm sorry if I fooled you, it was done mainly as a test for myself to see if this source could look decent enough. The actual LD timing doesn't differ compared to the other pressings I've seen.

Memorex, I will try to post some comparisons, the different framing wasn't really what interested me per se, I had hoped it would not lack the huge amount of frames this telecine is infamous for. And I'm sorry to disappoint but it looks rather similar :( why the slightly different framings I don't know. Sorry if I gave you any false hopes. Fortunately we have lots of other beautiful projects going on around here.

Nah no problem, just curious :) I'm always interested in smear-free preservations! I have the ESB  that Chewtobacca made from the other JSC, but that was a raw transfer iirc.

Yes, Chewie did a DVD of Arnie.d's raw X9 capture as I recall. I don't want to piss on his/their effort and Mallwalker's huge undertaking of uploading these, as I'm very grateful but the truth is that those captures doesn't accurately represent how those LD-transfers look, something clearly went wrong in the capture chain, they aren't smear-free at all, the colors are bleeding and there's a chroma shift that's nowhere to be seen on the actual LD's. Arnie d's V8 DVD is actually superior to his lossless X9-capture but even that is its own beast, examine for yourself. I think it's very unfortunate when the hardware and good will was there but I never got any answers to this when I asked in the thread, It's hard to put forth without sounding like an ungrateful bastard.

In a similar way, my Technidisc DVD doesn't accurately represent the actual LD either, when going back and looking at some of the screenshots that's been posted from my disc I actually have a hard time understand I could release such crap, the last two thirds of the disc is basically unwatchable IMO. Lobster faces everywhere, the LD is red tinted yes, but it got greatly magnified by whatever settings I went with. I blame it on being rushed, bad quality control and a little bit of deliberate creative decisions involved. ;)

^ Something to ponder when you're comparing sources you don't own yourself.

Oh, okay, so they were Arnies captures to begin with.. I was too lazy to re-do my research :) I havn't checked the X9 ESB for a long time, have stored on an external HD somewhere. Remembered it to have way less smearing than the gout though!

I have you'r raw SWE capture as well, if  :)

I also have DJ:s V.3, which was a great improvement of the gout-discs, but a smear-free, color-corrected LD capture would also be great to have.

Chewtobacca said:

I agree, and after you found the problems with the captures I lost interest in doing anything with them, which is why I never bothered to encode SW. 

Sorry, I believe this makes me the devil to those who wanted a Chewie SW-X9 DVD.

Memorex said:

I have you'r raw SWE capture as well, if :)

Have you been into my house when I'm asleep? I don't get the "if" at the end there but this is scary... ;)

Heh, the IF was just the accidental result of some sloppy editing,,

I was ofcourse referring to your raw capture of ANH that was uploaded months ago, nothing else :) 

Memorex said:

I was ofcourse referring to your raw capture of ANH that was uploaded months ago, nothing else :) 

But I haven't uploaded any raw capture, that's why your post scared me. :)

I think you might refer to the X9-capture of ANH? But that wasn't uploaded by me.

Yes, Chewie did a DVD of Arnie.d's raw X9 capture as I recall. I don't want to piss on his/their effort and Mallwalker's huge undertaking of uploading these, as I'm very grateful but the truth is that those captures doesn't accurately represent how those LD-transfers look, something clearly went wrong in the capture chain, they aren't smear-free at all, the colors are bleeding and there's a chroma shift that's nowhere to be seen on the actual LD's. Arnie d's V8 DVD is actually superior to his lossless X9-capture but even that is its own beast, examine for yourself. I think it's very unfortunate when the hardware and good will was there but I never got any answers to this when I asked in the thread, It's hard to put forth without sounding like an ungrateful bastard.

So is the Dark/Sega JSC Preservation of higher (visual) quality?

Judge for yourself here. Their transfer was done many many years ago, so I doubt it. DJ has gone on record numerous times saying that he thinks it's crap... I think...

bkev said:

Judge for yourself here. Their transfer was done many many years ago, so I doubt it. DJ has gone on record numerous times saying that he thinks it's crap... I think...

Yeah, unfortunately, it looks in need of a good comb filter.

msycamore said:

Memorex said:

I was ofcourse referring to your raw capture of ANH that was uploaded months ago, nothing else :) 

But I haven't uploaded any raw capture, that's why your post scared me. :)

I think you might refer to the X9-capture of ANH? But that wasn't uploaded by me.

Ok, now I'm scared! I have to investigate this matter!

Edit: I'm afraid I mixed it all up, I was refering to the SWE release presented in the very first post in this very thread. I thought it was a raw transfer since I read you were doing a color corrected 2.0 of it now.  Hm, I think I've sorted it all out now :)

Think I've successfully tamed the reds... here's a sample of the beginning of Side 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/z3e41g

Please let me know what you think. I have corrected the aspect ratio and tried to get as good color balance as I can, no derainbowing yet though, might apply that selectively to avoid artifacting. Easily one of the toughest parts due to being extremely red and also quite yellow at the same time, very unstable colors here. Working in YUV with tinting it is a bitch. The blue are still too yellow for my taste.

Had a similar problem in THX where the white void is yellow and red/pink at the same time, in RGB colorspace I believe it would've been an easy match but in YUV colorspace it's nearly impossible to correct. How the hell do you guys do it. :(

Constructive criticism welcome.

Isn't there a colorbar signal at the end of the JSC and SWE laserdiscs?

Couldn't you just calibrate to that, or is it off somehow?

Han said:

Hey don't forget me next time!
I'm GOUT 133160 and I'm missing from your first edition.

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

Han said:

Hey don't forget me next time!
I'm GOUT 133160 and I'm missing from your first edition.

 

WTF, you're right it is missing from my first edition, just double checked my DVD. How the hell that happened I cannot understand as it is in my capture, the same source files I'm working with now. Must have been an encoding error of some sort, a missing frame at that point doesn't make any sense, but I don't know if the encoder jumping a frame makes any sense either, fucking weird. Thanks for pointing it out!

poita said:

Isn't there a colorbar signal at the end of the JSC and SWE laserdiscs?

Couldn't you just calibrate to that, or is it off somehow?

Yes, there is. Unfortunately the guy who did this one for me didn't capture the colorbar signal. The thing is, even if you set the levels properly you'll still end up with red faces in parts of this transfer. So I'm a little torn, make a true preservation of the LD or try to make this transfer to look as good as possible. I can try to post some examples from raw, DVD, corrected and sample...

Chewtobacca said:

Why don't you convert to RGB to perform your color correction and then back for encoding? The quality loss is minor, in my opinion, and more than worth it.

Yeah, some parts might be in need for it.

Thanks for all the comments! Will try to make it more presentable then. The battle against the red continues in the Jundland Wastes: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a5fnir

Anyone got any theory what could have caused a frame to go missing like that in my previous encode, a bug in HC Enc? it still baffles me.