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Don't forget that if they were uncredited in the original, they should remain uncredited in a restoration of the original, so this is more of an idea for The Secret History of Star Wars page, than the ssw.com.

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the library of congress updated their website..

at least the interface.. and the online listings

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/library-of-congress-overhauls-online-offerings/

 

here's what the search for star wars gives:

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http://www.loc.gov/search/?q=star+wars&all=true&in=original_format%3Amoving+image

 

check of all items, not just online, or you

won't get any hits..

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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Some notes on Luke's severed hand--perhaps useful for updating the Secret History article.

(I sent a copy to zombie but realized some other readers might be interested so am reposting it here.)

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In the first three drafts of ANH, one of the repeated motifs is a scene where a heroic but aged character slams down his left arm on a hard tabletop, cracking it open, spilling wires everywhere and revealing it to be a cybernetic prosthesis. In the first draft the character is Kane Starkiller, in the second draft it's Han Solo's copilot Montross Holdaack, in the third draft it's Ben Kenobi himself. (In the first and second drafts, Kane and Montross both say that their "head and right arm" are the only truly human bits remaining. Ben Kenobi in the third draft presumably has somewhat more of his original body left.)

Here we have an outwardly-normal prosthetic arm, though inwardly mechanical, sported by a heroic character (usually a Jedi--but I suspect the sole reason for Montross' presence in the second draft script is this one scene). Also, it's the left arm.

Leigh Brackett's first draft of ESB doesn't have Luke being maimed. Nor does Lucas' second draft, although this is where the revelation of Father Vader first appears. It's only in Larry Kasdan's third draft that Luke first loses an arm.

According to The Making of ESB, the ESB third draft has three extra dialogue pages, Inserts A, B, and C, which describe Luke's traumatic injury and Vader's declaration of his parentage. These pages could of course be withheld from the script as generally circulated, in order to maintain secrecy. Insert B contains the "I am your father" line and is of little concern here.

In Insert A, we read that Vader cuts "Luke's arm off at the elbow! Luke's forearm flies away in the wind as the boy himself almost goes over the edge ... He wipes the tears and blood from his eyes, but can still barely focus on his massive opponent."

Later, on the medical frigate at the end of the film, Insert C picks up: "Luke's lower left arm is exposed, revealing metal struts and electronic circuits similar to Threepio."

We can learn several things from this passage. First: Lucasfilm thought Luke losing a hand was a dramatic secret on par with Father Vader, and took steps to conceal it from the crew.

Second: In this early draft, Luke loses his left arm (just like the Jedi warriors of ANH). However, unlike the ANH descriptions of outwardly-normal, flesh-covered cybernetic arms, Luke receives a metallic, nakedly mechanical prosthesis. Basically, it's just like Anakin's prosthetic arm as seen in ROTS.

Also note the third-draft description of Luke immediately after his injury; he "can barely focus" on his opponent. Perhaps in this early draft, since he lost his left hand instead of his right, Luke actually retained his father's lightsaber?

Yet in the fourth draft, only Insert B (the revelation of Father Vader) is called for: no mentions of Inserts A and C appear. Thus, in this version Luke does not lose his arm--perhaps Lucas temporarily got cold feet? 

Here Luke also doesn't lose his lightsaber: when he falls into the shaft, we see that "He has hooked his laser sword to his belt."

In the fifth draft/shooting script, there are no mentions of any special insert pages. Presumably this was done to avoid tipping off script thieves that any such extra pages existed!

Instead, the fifth draft description of the climax of the duel, and of Luke's recovery on the hospital ship, are seemingly complete, but in fact deceptive.

It is said that Vader brings his sword down on Luke's forearm, "cutting it" and causing Luke to drop his lightsaber, but he doesn't sever the arm outright. No mention is made of the "I am your father" bit, and no calls for extra script inserts are visible. Likewise, when Luke is being treated on the medical ship, special mention is made of the "nasty scar" on his forearm.

But these are obviously decoy passages, meant to deceive anyone not in on the actual facts of Luke's maiming and Vader's reveal. The truth would be evident only to those privileged enough to witness the filming on set.

One other note--there's a passage in a Making of ESB photo caption (p. 220) which suggests that the finished script actually called for Luke to lose his right arm at the elbow. Thus, in the final scene of the film, when Luke's new arm is being tested, we get to see robot components in his right forearm.

However, due to the limitations of special effects of the day, the shot of Luke actually losing his arm had to show it being severed at the wrist (so a false hand could shoot out from the cuff of his sleeve). Thus a discrepancy which persists in the final film.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Very interesting! I love stuff like that.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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(It hasn’t happened yet)

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zombie84 said: 

So I made http://savestarwars.com

   So you made it, awsome.

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.

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So now the originals(77', 80', 83') is no longer in print. :(

Even though they were very bad looking. 

http://savestarwars.com/news.html#2011growup

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.

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^If there's any upside to the GOUT being put out of circulation, it's that those covers will never see the light of day again. The goddamned Photoshopped abominations just served to add further insult to injury.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

^If there's any upside to the GOUT being put out of circulation, it's that those covers will never see the light of day again. The goddamned Photoshopped abominations just served to add further insult to injury.

I'm waiting for the next version of SW, where Lucas will digitally increase the size of Luke's head in every scene to match the cover of that dvd.

He always wanted Luke's head to be bigger, but couldn't find the right actor. Now that the technology has caught up to his imagination, he can realize any idea he had!

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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^Yeah, Chrome just tried to stop me from reading this thread just due to the redirects to SaveSW. That's a pretty big issue if even my web browser can detect it... this might warrant a PM to Zombie as I know he's still lurking now and then.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Lucasfilm has clearly sabotaged Zombie's site.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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bkev said:

^Yeah, Chrome just tried to stop me from reading this thread just due to the redirects to SaveSW. That's a pretty big issue if even my web browser can detect it... this might warrant a PM to Zombie as I know he's still lurking now and then.

Yeah I just got the same. =/

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Zombie, it seems you have a fanclub of incredibly creepy SW-fans or whatever you call these weirdos: http://acertainpointofview.net/ - see under the headline "Unstable Entities" if you dare. Apparently according to this guy there's a war going on between fans. :) I truly regret I stumbled upon that site, some f***ing people...

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Well, the worst thing about that is that unlike most of the misguided and misspelled posts of SE supporters his arguments must seem perfectly reasonable and solid to anyone without deeper knowledge of the issue or interest in art preservation. They could of course be disproved much in the same way he tries to disprove Michael's but it wouldn't be quite as easy as saying "see, the colars weren't fixxed."

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msycamore said:

Zombie, it seems you have a fanclub of incredibly creepy SW-fans or whatever you call these weirdos: http://acertainpointofview.net/ - see under the headline "Unstable Entities" if you dare. Apparently according to this guy there's a war going on between fans. :) I truly regret I stumbled upon that site, some f***ing people...

Apparently they hate this site with a passion too. :/

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Where were you in '77?

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Harmy said:

Well, the worst thing about that is that unlike most of the misguided and misspelled posts of SE supporters his arguments must seem perfectly reasonable and solid to anyone without deeper knowledge of the issue or interest in art preservation. They could of course be disproved much in the same way he tries to disprove Michael's but it wouldn't be quite as easy as saying "see, the colars weren't fixxed."

Yeah, that's what make these weirdos so creepy, this is sect-like behaviour goddammit. It's quite obvious this guy have a personal vendetta or something with Kaminski but I'm just disturbed that this kind of thinking exists at all. And I'm sure that in their little twisted world we are the sect, damn... didn't know how brainwashed some "fans" could be.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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I posted a comment pointing out the flaw in their Song of the South analogy, but whether it is approved is anyone's guess.

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His argument is flawed regarding the 1988 Congressional statements.

I omitted parts that were irrelevant, but the part he is quoting that I left out is not a GOTCHA moment. It actually re-inforces what I was arguing. Lucas says "who better than the artist to protect the work" because he felt that the artist wouldn't alter it. Lucas was afraid that corporations owning art would lead to it be altered--which was exactlly what was happening with Turner. So, as an alternative, he proposed artists owning the rights, because they were assumed to be protective of their art more than a corporation. He was never, ever, at any time, advocating an artists right to alter and suppress films. He was simply arguing that artists would be more responsible with film history than businessmen. He's mostly correct with the one exception--himself.

So, this guy is an idiot on multiple levels. He sees what he wants. Although I am flattered that he stalked me so thoroughly. I give him points for effort, but a failing grade for not having logic.

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These guys always willfully ignore a major reason Lucas and Spielberg and the others were there in the first place, to speak to the value of a film as a true snapshot of its time. (To say nothing of the fact that the EMPIRE/JEDI special editions would have been illegal if Lucas had gotten what he wanted that day.)

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zombie84 said:

His argument is flawed regarding the 1988 Congressional statements.

I omitted parts that were irrelevant, but the part he is quoting that I left out is not a GOTCHA moment. It actually re-inforces what I was arguing. Lucas says "who better than the artist to protect the work" because he felt that the artist wouldn't alter it. Lucas was afraid that corporations owning art would lead to it be altered--which was exactlly what was happening with Turner. So, as an alternative, he proposed artists owning the rights, because they were assumed to be protective of their art more than a corporation. He was never, ever, at any time, advocating an artists right to alter and suppress films. He was simply arguing that artists would be more responsible with film history than businessmen. He's mostly correct with the one exception--himself.

So, this guy is an idiot on multiple levels. He sees what he wants. Although I am flattered that he stalked me so thoroughly. I give him points for effort, but a failing grade for not having logic.

Much to my surprise, my comment was approved.

I think it would be interesting to address the other filmmaker's who constantly tinkered with their work. A thread at the HTF reminded me of Chaplin's recutting of some of his films well in the sound era, and Abel Gance was still fiddling with his silent epic Napoleon in 1970! Those might have been influences on the SE's.

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Hey it’s back! http://savestarwars.com/ (And i’m slow… waybackmachine says it returned in October.) [Run your wget mirrors!] Thanks zombie and who ever helped the pages return.

[Note: We have some additional files which are currently not available on the site: goutcorrect.html and it’s ‘goutcorrections’ images. Know this was an in progress article when last discussed. Archive can be found here: http://fd.noneinc.com/savestarwarscom/savestarwars.com/goutcorrect.html]

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Ah, so now we know why Zombie hasn’t updated his youtube channel in the last couple months.