The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 248

If you went down that route you wouldn't need to follow the official PT at all.

Bingowings said:

If you went down that route you wouldn't need to follow the official PT at all.

Which is the ideal situation.

This thread is linked into here somewhere already but it can't hurt doing it again.

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thejediknighthusezni said:

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What......

Yahoo!

thejediknighthusezni said:

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I can't disagree with this.




Mainly because I don't know how.

So like, has anyone come up with an idea to make Anakin's relationship with the Lars family and Shmi more integral to the plot of Attack of the Clones? Because after Shmi's death, that whole thing doesn't affect the plot of the rest of the movie AT ALL. 

One problem I had with the Shmi thing is it really makes the Jedi out to be utter gits to just abandon the mother of their chosen one to a continued life of slavery.

I get that a Jedi has to limit his attachments to the material world and Tatooine is beyond the borders of the Republic but they would have made some arrangement to purchase her freedom, pension Shmi off and have her protected to some degree.

So instead of having Watto say he sold her to some bloke who took advantage of her gratitude and married her for a while before losing her to the Apach... Tusken Raiders why not have her taken in by another native Jedi's family?

Someone who knows what to expect when they lose a child to the temple.

Perhaps Ben's dad or the father of (and I know some of you aren't going to like this) Ben's other pupil's family.

This would explain the bad chemistry between Owen Lars and Ben Kenobi if he was his brother or the teacher of his brother who ran off and joined old Ben on some damn fool idealistic crusade.

Bingowings said:

One problem I had with the Shmi thing is it really makes the Jedi out to be utter gits to just abandon the mother of their chosen one to a continued life of slavery.

I get that a Jedi has to limit his attachments to the material world and Tatooine is beyond the borders of the Republic but they would have made some arrangement to purchase her freedom, pension Shmi off and have her protected to some degree.

So instead of having Watto say he sold her to some bloke who took advantage of her gratitude and married her for a while before losing her to the Apach... Tusken Raiders why not have her taken in by another native Jedi's family?

Someone who knows what to expect when they lose a child to the temple.

Perhaps Ben's dad or the father of (and I know some of you aren't going to like this) Ben's other pupil's family.

This would explain the bad chemistry between Owen Lars and Ben Kenobi if he was his brother or the teacher of his brother who ran off and joined old Ben on some damn fool idealistic crusade.

Although that has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said, it does interest me greatly. But how would you pull it off with current footage? 

As the post was all about the Lars family and their relationship to Anakin and Shmi I think 'absolutely nothing to do with' is a bit harsh.

Sadly the footage as it currently stands is very limited in use.

You could replace Obi-Wan with Anakin at the library looking up the details of the Jedi 'parent pension plan' and possibly replace Jocasta with another actor or doctor it so she says his mother 'doesn't exist' and get the details from a redubbed Watto.

It's not as if the impressive library actually adds anything to the investigation sub-plot so it would make sense if the scene of a bloody massacre in ROTS would have some link to Anakin's feelings of betrayal by the order.

It would be much easier to remove the actors playing Owen and Beru (even though in terms of looks they were perfectly cast) and replace them with people delivering something of plot value rather than just walking in, waving at the screen so they can be remembered for the last shot of ROTS.

Bingowings said:

As the post was all about the Lars family and their relationship to Anakin and Shmi I think 'absolutely nothing to do with' is a bit harsh.

Sadly the footage as it currently stands is very limited in use.

You could replace Obi-Wan with Anakin at the library looking up the details of the Jedi 'parent pension plan' and possibly replace Jocasta with another actor or doctor it so she says his mother 'doesn't exist' and get the details from a redubbed Watto.

It's not as if the impressive library actually adds anything to the investigation sub-plot so it would make sense if the scene of a bloody massacre in ROTS would have some link to Anakin's feelings of betrayal by the order.

It would be much easier to remove the actors playing Owen and Beru (even though in terms of looks they were perfectly cast) and replace them with people delivering something of plot value rather than just walking in, waving at the screen so they can be remembered for the last shot of ROTS.

So like, would Cliegg be the Jedi parent dude? 

Speaking as someone with a 'mystical' relationship with Jack Thompson (too long a story to go into here) I'm loathed to cut him out of any film but there is very little of him to work with in AOTC and to be honest (like Terence Stamp before him) he suffers from Lucas' inability to get a performance worthy of the actor so he might have to be replaced.

But yeah.

Either it's Kenobi's dad or other Jedi's dad.

So when Ben comes sniffing around Luke in years to come Owen has some justification for telling him to go run up a shutter and when Shmi dies Anakin can blame the Jedi for not protecting her enough.

Her name has been stricken from the records, he is discouraged from investigating his visions, he is justified in being pissed off.

If you couple that to a mysterious cloaked figure killing his mother's kidnappers you have a more tangible psycho drama going on than Anakin going ape-shit and confessing it all to Padme who responds by marrying him for crying out loud (modern girls).

Currently Owen hardly knows either Padme or Anakin, he seems happy enough to take Luke it doesn't square with the guy we meet later.

Good points, Bingowings.

I'm very curious about the full Tatooine segment that was shot for AOTC, but wasn't found on either the DVD or Blu-ray. There are supposed to be scenes with Padme and Beru talking, Padme fixing up 3PO, and Anakin and Padme receiving Ben's message in the garage, and a proper goodbye to the Lars'. There should be some good character material in there, and I'm curious why they keep holding it back. They even put animatics among the deleted scenes...

A way to fix that situation with Anakin's mother might be that the Jedi did free Anakin's mother, and that he is allowed to see her again once he finished his training. This information could be relayed during the conversation Anakin and Obi-Wan have when they are watching Padme's bedroom. There is a lot of off screen dialogue that could be fit in there, which would be more interesting than that current boring talk about politics.

Then, as Anakin goes to find his mother on Tatooine, he could go to Watto, as that would be the first place he would know to look. Watto's dialogue could be reshuffled to something like "...someone named Lars, at least I think it was Lars. After the Jedi freed her, he married her! Can you beat that!", and so on.

This might also give some more weight to Anakin feeling he wasn't in time to save her: he blames himself for not having finished his training sooner, which would of course lead to him blaming Obi-Wan.

SilverKey said:

Good points, Bingowings.

I'm very curious about the full Tatooine segment that was shot for AOTC, but wasn't found on either the DVD or Blu-ray. There are supposed to be scenes with Padme and Beru talking, Padme fixing up 3PO, and Anakin and Padme receiving Ben's message in the garage, and a proper goodbye to the Lars'. There should be some good character material in there, and I'm curious why they keep holding it back. They even put animatics among the deleted scenes...

A way to fix that situation with Anakin's mother might be that the Jedi did free Anakin's mother, and that he is allowed to see her again once he finished his training. This information could be relayed during the conversation Anakin and Obi-Wan have when they are watching Padme's bedroom. There is a lot of off screen dialogue that could be fit in there, which would be more interesting than that current boring talk about politics.

Then, as Anakin goes to find his mother on Tatooine, he could go to Watto, as that would be the first place he would know to look. Watto's dialogue could be reshuffled to something like "...someone named Lars, at least I think it was Lars. After the Jedi freed her, he married her! Can you beat that!", and so on.

This might also give some more weight to Anakin feeling he wasn't in time to save her: he blames himself for not having finished his training sooner, which would of course lead to him blaming Obi-Wan.

This is genius, Silverkey. Utter genius. And it can actually be accomplished too. 

Though I also like Bingowing's idea.... 

      I competely forgot about Luke and Tat.

      New dialog in TPM and AOTC apartment?  The ROTS Tantive conference "...to on Tatoonie..."?

     If Ani is already an orphan...?

I still favor the Tantive landing on Dagobah and the twins being born there explaining why it feels familiar to Luke in ESB (and cutting out half a dozen redundant ship landing scenes).

Way back I proposed restructuring TPM so it matched the linear progression of ANH (Padme travels from Coruscant to Tatooine to Naboo).

Similarly would a reworking of AOTC work which followed the pattern of ESB.

Starting with Obi-wan getting captured on Geonosis and ending with saber duel?

That way the war starts early in the film, the character scenes happen in the lull between acts and the duel can take place instead on Kamino.

Bingowings said:

Way back I proposed restructuring TPM so it matched the linear progression of ANH (Padme travels from Coruscant to Tatooine to Naboo).

Similarly would a reworking of AOTC work which followed the pattern of ESB.

Starting with Obi-wan getting captured on Geonosis and ending with saber duel?

That way the war starts early in the film, the character scenes happen in the lull between acts and the duel can take place instead on Kamino.

I love this idea. But how to accomplish it?

thejediknighthusezni said:

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You sunk my battlesith!

I hope they find the little black box...

(you know, the one with his bong hole in).