Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 249

Oldfan said:

Thanks for answering my questions about the confusion.

I take it then that "Harmy_DeEd_v2_h_h_5.1_fixed" is the new fixed 5.1 audio track? It looks like it's still being uploaded if that's the track I want.

I don't know what it is. Hairy_hen did not even release the fixed track, did he? So it can't be that I guess. Plus almost 4GB have been uploaded so far, which means it's likely to include a video track as well. Unfortunately the guy uploading it didn't supply an nfo file.

Can somebody tell me what file "Harmy_DeEd_v2_h_h_5.1_fixed" is? I was thinking it was for the fixed AC3 5.1 track only but it's already over 4GB so I'm thinking that's not the case. Is this a full upload of the mkv again or the blu-ray?

Oh funny, I was typing my last post just as you wee answering me from my other post. I guess then we're not sure what it is. I was hoping it was the fixed audio but clearly that's not the case. Like you said there's no .nfo so there's no telling what it could be.

EDIT: I just downloaded the first part to see what it is and upon opening it I can see it's a VIDEO_TS folder so I guess this will be a DVD. Oh well. I've got the mkv I'm just waiting for a fixed 5.1 track.

So, is there any timeframe when the fixed audio will be up on the newsgroups?

Oldfan said:

I was just looking at the comparison shots posted between v1 and v2. Many of the shots actually look like the black levels are totally crushed - like take a look at the shots of the Millennium Falcon docked on the Death Star (shots 72 & 73, 80 & 81) - tons of detail is just gone, lost in shadow, and in shots 80 & 81 the door on the left in the background is almost impossible to see. And in the shot of Obi-Wan early on (shots 22 and 23), the v1 looks nice but v2 is totally blown out, with all detail in the background completely lost in a sea of white, and the colors look terrible compared to v1.

 

Is this just unavoidable due to the different sources used for v2? I don't mean this to sound like a criticism, I'm just curious why such a difference in quality- to my eyes many of the v1 shots have more background visible, even though the v2 are clearly sharper. In those shots, is this just how it looked originally, and we're just used to seeing tweaked versions over the years, or are those shots just due to limited available sources? It seems in the shots I mentioned above, v1 looks far better overall.

 

 
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I wan't criticizing. In fact, I even said in my post, "I don't mean this to sound like a criticism". I was simply asking because there was such a drastic difference between versions, and since both v1 and v2 aimed to recreate the original theatrical version as close as possible, I was curious why the 2 versions seemed so different in some shots.

Sorry if it came off as a complaint - it wasn't meant to be by any means. Just genuinely curious. Indeed it looks like perhaps with some shots the original timing could have been improved. If this is how it was originally projected then by all means this is how it should look for this project.

Yeah, that's an interesting observation, Trooperman. I must admit that I'd never thought of it as the way you described it before, and it seems to me that is exactly what they meant with the (nearly) blown out whites.

canofhumdingers said:

 

Oldfan said:

I was just looking at the comparison shots posted between v1 and v2. Many of the shots actually look like the black levels are totally crushed - like take a look at the shots of the Millennium Falcon docked on the Death Star (shots 72 & 73, 80 & 81) - tons of detail is just gone, lost in shadow, and in shots 80 & 81 the door on the left in the background is almost impossible to see. And in the shot of Obi-Wan early on (shots 22 and 23), the v1 looks nice but v2 is totally blown out, with all detail in the background completely lost in a sea of white, and the colors look terrible compared to v1.

 

Is this just unavoidable due to the different sources used for v2? I don't mean this to sound like a criticism, I'm just curious why such a difference in quality- to my eyes many of the v1 shots have more background visible, even though the v2 are clearly sharper. In those shots, is this just how it looked originally, and we're just used to seeing tweaked versions over the years, or are those shots just due to limited available sources? It seems in the shots I mentioned above, v1 looks far better overall.

 

 

What comparison screenshots are you looking at? I haven't seen any posted. I haven't gotten to watch the whole thing yet, but I have skimmed through and I think v2 looks night & day better than v1. The blacks were not NEARLY as crushed. And the colors were far better. Now, regarding the brightness of the introduction to Obiwan, that has received a fair bit of attention from people who feel it is too bright. But Harmy was provided access to a 1977 technicolor dye-transfer print to use as a color reference and that is apparently what the scene looked like, odd or blown out as it may be. Being able to use the dye-transfer as a color reference is a huge deal b/c those prints do not fade (or fade VERY little) and so what we're seeing is probably the closest to the original colors anyone has seen since the original theatrical release. And they are QUITE different than we're used to seeing in the many official home video releases.

 

This was posted elsewhere.

Okay, I'm slightly confused.  I will be downloading the AVCHD, but now it sounds like I should wait until the audio is fixed?  Sounds like this will be happening fairly soon - any estimates?

Trooperman said:

^^ I am convinced that the scene with Obi-Wan was intentionally blown out that way. 

If you notice, the part before Obi-Wan comes, which is in the same location, has normal colors.

It's precisely when Obi-Wan appears that the frame turns white.

 

For home video, they were probably trying to correct everything to "normal" and so they saw these blown out whites as a mistake and regraded it to match the part that had come before.

That may indeed be the case. It does look blown out but as you said it may very well be how they intended it to look.

Let me try that link again to the comparison shots:

http://www.uloz.to/22762346/compar-v1-vs-v2-rar

Between the wait for Puggo's Empire and this AVCHD I don't how much I can take anymore.

Edit:  I see the AVCHD is coming soon : )

Harmy said:

Slynger: Yes. The new version of the AVCHD should be up on Tuesday.

Thank you, Harmy.

Harmy said:

Also, the matte shot you mentioned was put together from various sources originally and was only like 70% faithful to the original, in v2.0 it's sourced from a 35mm scan, so it's 100% faithful.

Ah, I see. Thank you.

bilditup1 said:

What needs to be done is a comparison disc - heck, maybe I could be persuaded...

Would you mind? That would be awesome - a comparison not of v1 and v2, because that would be boring - but a comparison of the stock SE Blu-ray and the v2. That would be epic.