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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available] (Released) — Page 20

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Does anyone have the 93 laserdisc 2.0 pcm rips? I've seem to displace/deleted them

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budwhite said:

I downloaded the old 70mm lossless mix yesterday from usenet. But there were some files missing and I couldn't fix it with the PAR files either.

 

part 2,3 and 13 is missing. Does this have anything to do with the upload being old, the retention?

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budwhite said:

budwhite said:

I downloaded the old 70mm lossless mix yesterday from usenet. But there were some files missing and I couldn't fix it with the PAR files either.

 

part 2,3 and 13 is missing. Does this have anything to do with the upload being old, the retention?

What provider are you using? I had a problem with Astraweb and this release a couple of months ago and am still waiting for them to tell me they have fixed it.

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Damn, there we have it. I always thought the files were corrupted but it might as well be the provider then. hmm.

Thanks for clearing it up, somewhat

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They are not in a rush to sort the problem and the feedback is zero!! Raise it as a problem and see how you get on......

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Any chance of 448 or lossless before the weekend?  I know what I'll be watching...

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Noticed the Smoking Wookiee DVD5 (based upon DeEdv2) contain a 448 track.
I wonder if that one is 'official' from the lossless sources, or if the Wookiee shrunk it himself from 640? (or maybe it's the old version?)

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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I would love to have that new 70mm lossless version as well.

 

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I'm also eagerly awaiting the lossless files, stereo in particular, given that I only use headphones.

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The 448 on the DVD is legit: I sent it to him a few days ago, but neglected to post the links here as well.  Here they are:

part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4

The stereo version is already available in lossless, and is linked to here.

Since there is a demand for them, I'll post the six lossless mono files for the 5.1 as soon as I'm able.  I'm still looking into how to encode DTS-HD MA, but I'll keep that separate and won't make it the only way to obtain this.

With my upload speed being slow and other duties occupying me, I can't make any promises about when that will be ready.  If any of you are holding out on watching the movie until then, I urge you not to wait, as I highly doubt the AC3 will be a disappointment.  As I've said before, though lossless audio will always prove superior and should be chosen when available, high bitrate lossy encodes may be quite difficult to distinguish in a blind test if all other factors are the same—and in this case the bitrate truly is the only difference.  The simple knowledge of what format one is hearing, I think, influences the judgement on perceived quality, so take this bias out of the equation and I think you'll be surprised at just how good it actually sounds.

Remember that the content is still by far the most important element of what you hear: given the choice between a lossy encode of a good mix, and a lossless copy of a bad one, I know which I'd choose.  To cite an extreme example, if I wanted to watch the special edition and all I could pick from was the 1997 version in 384 kbps laserdisc AC3, or the 24-bit lossless mix on the 2011 Bluray . . . do you see where I'm going with this?

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Don't know how I missed that post with links to the stereo version, but huge thanks!

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I'll be the first to admit I just like seeing the DTS-MA logo light up on my player... audible differences don't enter into it...

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Man, I wish I had a surround sound system to listen to this with!

However, I think my fiancée would kill me - along with the neighbors above me.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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To cite an extreme example, if I wanted to watch the special edition and all I could pick from was the 1997 version in 384 kbps laserdisc AC3, or the 24-bit lossless mix on the 2011 Bluray . . . do you see where I'm going with this?

Well then, it's a good thing we'll have another audio choice once the theater dts project is completed......maybe it'll give the SE a little more credibility as an archive project.

;)

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I can't believe I missed the stereo version either. Thanks a lot hh!

 

I sampled the new 5.1 70mm the other day it sounds great, the bass is a real joy. But what about the surrounds? Is it all mono surround because it's mostly based on the 93 2.0 mix?

Did the 70mm mix have stereo surrounds way back when? If so, wouldn't it be legitimate to borrow parts of the surrounds from one of the official 5.1 mixes?(Sorry if this been discussed before)

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budwhite said:


I can't believe I missed the stereo version either. Thanks a lot hh!

 

I sampled the new 5.1 70mm the other day it sounds great, the bass is a real joy. But what about the surrounds? Is it all mono surround because it's mostly based on the 93 2.0 mix?

Did the 70mm mix have stereo surrounds way back when? If so, wouldn't it be legitimate to borrow parts of the surrounds from one of the official 5.1 mixes?(Sorry if this been discussed before)


The original 70mm mix used a form of early surround sound called "baby boom" in which "there were three speakers behind the screen (facing the audience) designated left, center, and right. There was also one surround channel and two low frequency effects channels that excepted frequencies below 200 Hz."

source http://frank.mtsu.edu/~smpte/seventies.html

So it's a 4.2 surround sound system if you will. Three in the front, one in the back and TWO (count em) two discreet channels for bass. BOOOOOOM

The 93 mix is indeed a 2.0 mix, but it is matrixed surround sound - meaning that there are actually 4 channels of sound encoded in the 2 channels. You need a dolby surround decoder to decode the extra channels and send them to the front and rears.

Hh was able to split this matrixed channels from 2 to four different channels and remix them that way - along with all the necessary edits.

Hh will never use the "official" 5.1 mixes -except for maybe the discreet bass channel - just because the mixes in terms of content are totally different and actually sound like crap.

He talks about that here

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-1977-70mm-sound-mix-recreation-stereo-and-51-versions-now-available/post/547363/#TopicPost547363

and here

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-1977-70mm-sound-mix-recreation-stereo-and-51-versions-now-available/post/548812/#TopicPost548812

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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So, I muxed in a few audio tracks with mkvmerge and it works perfect. And since my western digital media player can play flac I thought what the hell, lets try. I didn't convert and it plays fine as far as I can tell. Do I loose anything by not unpacking the flacs? Different levels or something.  My reciever is an Onkyo 708

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Hey  hairy_he, i just wanted to let you know i finally watched harmy's new version with your revised 5.1 sound track, wow was it beautiful. So clear and the bass was excellent absolutely enjoyed the hell out of it. It's the only version that i prefer over the mono or stereo.

 

Great job!

 

 

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h_h - I'm trying to figure out if I'm dreaming or not, but it seems like during the Fox Fanfare the audio sounds digitally compressed (late 90s mp3 style), at least on the rear channels. I listened to it a few times now and made sure my receiver and computer weren't doing anything to the signal. anyone else experience this? otherwise of course this was just totally brilliant.

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

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hmm, I must be doing something wrong. converted the flac file(stereo 70mm) to wav and then muxed it. The sound is quite a bit lower than the 5.1 70mm.

I'm pretty sure that hairy hen said that all of his work was adjusted to play at the same level.

 

Any ideas guys?

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No, you've got it.  It's normal for different formats to have different levels due to varied implementations of dialnorm-type tech.  h_h makes sure his mixes match the levels of existing mixes using the same format.  Just use the volume knob!

Speaking of which, how's the lossless 5.1 coming?  Are we there yet? ;)

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Darth Mallwalker said:

Noticed the Smoking Wookiee DVD5 (based upon DeEdv2) contain a 448 track.  I wonder if that one is 'official' from the lossless sources, or if the Wookiee shrunk it himself from 640? (or maybe it's the old version?)

Aw, come now, DM.  I've too much respect for quality to do either of those things. :D

It's a shame to hear the news about the v2 448kbps version though.  I confess that I checked the disc in terms of video and chapter stops and the like but didn't really listen to the 5.1 because I care only about the '77 stereo and the mono mixes.  I'm sure h_h will release a fixed version soon.

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I wouldn't need to ask those tough questions--
if you would post an NFO file! :D

I did see bilditup1's Post_495 but didn't pay much heed.
Since he mentioned Fox fanfare specifically, I just assumed it was the comparative lower fidelity of the 1954 Alfred E. Newman recording to blame.

Reading Harmy's thread, it sounds like hairy_hen got the problem sorted already.
Bravo!

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:I wouldn't need to ask those tough questions--
if you would post an NFO file! :D

hahaha lol. :-) I figured everyone knew what it was so I didn't bother.  Perhaps I'll add one next time.