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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 50

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Yes, I choose that snapshot because of what the filters demonstrated ... both right and wrong. But I can't blame SpotRemover too much -- I used it's recommended settings without experimenting (it looked like another one of those complicated filter setups). In that setup, SpotRemover took the nose highlight to be a spot (appears to be a movement problem) and dealt with it. :)

I've used MVDenoise before so that was mostly an optimum script paste-and-copy. By itself, it does a nice job with the "noise" (with spots still in place):

Anyway, it's easy to leave in only those particular processings for your desired result.

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It looks like VirtualDub will be the easiest to use for color correction with the "curves" filter I've found (it's a VDub filter, which is supposed to be usable in Avisynth, but the 3rd-party instructions don't apply or work with it).

Roughly following the curves of my paint program tests posted earlier, Gradation Curves (v.1.46b) by BBugBunny, A.K.A. Alexander Nagiller, duplicates it's usage and results nicely. The interface makes for easy interactive adjustment -- just like in a paint program:

With the variations of the transfer, this static correction does not produce consistent results ... even within a single shot. For the following video segment test, I tried for an adjustment that would center the variations around the color-corrective "sweet spot". All things considered, it looks pretty good (hope you like it):

Use this .ACV file, colorcorrection.acv (it's a Photoshop format "curves" file), for import into the VDub filter, for the above settings. It can be further tweaked in case of more capture drifting. If ImageShack doesn't like the file being there (not a picture), just manually input these points into Gradation Curves (as pictured above) with the pictured auxiliary setting (i.e. "RGB + R/G/B") and save it:

POINT . . . INPUT . . . OUTPUT
RED
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 59 . . . . . . 38
3 . . . . . . . 111 . . . . . 96
4 . . . . . . . 189 . . . . . 215
5 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255
GREEN
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 20 . . . . . . 21
3 . . . . . . . 32 . . . . . . 53
4 . . . . . . . 83 . . . . . . 123
5 . . . . . . . 204 . . . . . 189
6 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255
BLUE
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 80 . . . . . . 115
3 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255

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That's f***ing awesome! Will test your settings on the rest of the footage Puggo sent me and see if it gives us equally as good results there. Thank you! :)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Nice work, Spaced Ranger. :-)

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Great and easy to use plugin... here's the results with that setting of yours on the rest of the footage.

I must say the results are quite good for being an overall setting applied. The scene you did color correct looks of course much better than most of these examples, I guess a setting for each reel needs to be find in order to get satisfactory results.

Superb job on the lost scene Spaced Ranger! :)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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@ msycamore, Rogue-theX, Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

Thanks guys. Practical research ... ;)

@ msycamore

The color-fade restoration is lookin' good! A movie reviewer once wrote of a newly released film, THX 1138, "all that white made me see red". Well, the red is gone and we're back to white! :D

This really be should attempted on a calibrated CRT. My LCD monitor (blast that "viewing angle"!) just can't do a man's job for this kind of work. The overall look of these shots is too bright in the darkest regions. A quick fix (which might be good enough here) is a variation of "gamma adjustment" -- pulling down the low end (low curve thru POINT 2), while keeping the high end untouched (anchored straight at POINT 3).

Set the presently unused "RGB" (brightness) control of the Gradation Curves filter to this:



POINT . . . INPUT . . . OUTPUT
RGB
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 64 . . . . . . 46
3 . . . . . . . 192 . . . . . 192
4 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255

along with the original RED, GREEN, BLUE settings. All together, these make for an easier one-shot color correction than fiddling with only the individual colors for the same effect.

Review the video with this new fix added. If it looks like it needs more darkening (in lighter areas like this shot) while keeping in mind the even darker ones elsewhere, adjust the Point 2 Output Value lower for a better average effect.

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Yes, agree and thanks for the suggestion. I actually didn't notice the poor black level until I posted them. The last pic came out looking worst of the bunch with this setting, the fading probably differ from reel to reel, so that is something that ultimately needs to be dealt with for a color correction on the whole film.

Her shirt should actually be yellow compared to the many white shirts in the film, you can see that the yellows take a little hit with this setting elsewhere or they aren't simply there any longer. The wall behind THX and the holo when chased, should also be more of a deep blue. Other than that it's close considering what we work with and only beeing one setting. Your practical research did wonders on the lost scene and that's what's most important to me, very impressive results. :)

Btw, do you have a link to that review you quoted, I'm curious to read it.

 

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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"all that white made me see red"

The review was nothing memorable except for this line. Never thought I'd ever quote it. :) I searched beforehand as I too like references, but nothing came up. Also tried the quote in the present-tense "all that white makes me see red", breaking it up as "all that white" "made me see red", variations like "all that white" to "all this white"-- as memory is always vague on these kinds of details -- but still nothing. (If I stumble across it, I'll post the link.)

 

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I was thinking about ... yellow ... and had to look into that last shot. :)

The good news is that, yes, I was able to squeeze some yellow out of that shot. Naturally, I cheated, by looking at the actual movie to guide the color adjustments.

The bad news is that it was tough and the settings had to twist some to do the job. They're probably only good for this shot and, maybe, a few others. Try it! Applying it to "the lost scene" seems to produce a very dark picture.

Anyway, these are the settings that did the trick (ImageShack won't allow any more of my .ACV files so just copy in the numbers, below). [Just a note -- the default for the graph generation is spline. However, with points this tight, the graph becomes a squiggle (an obvious design bug) and needs more control points to counter-act that. A better selection would have been point-to-point. BTW, graph-type can be changed back and forth with points already on the graph, but I didn't want to change the approach mid-stream.] :


POINT . . . INPUT . . . OUTPUT
RED
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 34 . . . . . . 3
3 . . . . . . . 94 . . . . . . 35
4 . . . . . . . 177 . . . . . 214
5 . . . . . . . 216 . . . . . 253
6 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255
GREEN
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 112 . . . . . 96
3 . . . . . . . 242 . . . . . 174
4 . . . . . . . 250 . . . . . 199
5 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255
BLUE
1 . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . 0
2 . . . . . . . 80 . . . . . . 54
3 . . . . . . . 200 . . . . . 168
4 . . . . . . . 255 . . . . . 255


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@SilverWook
I think I smell a THX movie fan in the Formula 1 Races. :D

@msycamore
I hope this is not too late an observation. Further back in the thread was a posting of "the lost scene" videoed right off a movie projection screen. Although there was a hot-spot from the projector washing out much of the picture, it didn't look like the brightness fluctuated like the film-capture does. Am I misreading this or was the capture camera on auto-exposure (a no-no)? If no choice, are you looking into a brightness control filter (a big job, I would think, as this would be done shot-by-shot, every shot)?

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Again, very nice results, S_R!

Spaced Ranger said:

Am I misreading this or was the capture camera on auto-exposure (a no-no)? If no choice, are you looking into a brightness control filter (a big job, I would think, as this would be done shot-by-shot, every shot)?

This is something that I'm unable to answer, will need to ask Puggo about this, maybe he will chime in and explain it for us.

 

The video part of the project is done for the 2nd time. Ready to start syncing the audio...

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Any updates? Just wondering...

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Any updates? Just wondering...

Sorry for the silence, I began syncing the audio but have been very busy with things in real life that have occupied my time lately, I'm also trying to solve an irritating issue I have with my disc drive at the moment, whenever I burn dual-layer DVD's with ImgBurn something goes wrong when it's about to finalizing the discs, have tossed countless faulty discs. :(

I was able to fix that glitchy part that couldn't be IVTC'd of your US capture by utilizing the Japanese capture for those frames. I should also mention that the fade from Buck Rogers to titles is 4 frames longer on the DC, so I had to cut those frames between the Buck Rogers segment and the WB-logo in order to get the DVD-footage in sync with the intro on the Laserdisc transfer.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Thanks for the update. :)

Those extra frames must mean they rebuilt that sequence from scratch?

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Those extra frames must mean they rebuilt that sequence from scratch?

I guess the spliced in '80's Warner Bros logo is the reason for the frame difference. The titles on the DC transfer are definitely the original optical ones, straight from the negative I presume. Which reminds me... I should do it the opposite ways of course, which means; edit the LD-audio not the video. ;)

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Ahh..yes a still from the long lost original Director's Cut circa 1979, where SEN took a coffee break to do his telephoning. ;)

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Ok, I'm starting to get really pissed and tired of all the obstacles I am facing with this project, my respect for all people working with audio has also increased very much lately, you would think getting this to sync would be a pretty easy task, but I have some serious problem with it, don't know why that is. But I now remember that there was frame differences between all different captures of the US LD when I tried to align them for a potential median or average script. So I may need to locate these spots and see what's going on... sigh.

I should perhaps explain that there was some weird glitch in the video capture I used for the main bulk of the video, where a sequence couldn't be IVTC'd, whatever I throwed at it, I couldn't restore those frames, luckily it turned out to be what I described, a glitch of some sort as the many other captures Silver sent me didn't have that problem and it could easily be IVTC'd. So, with the recommendation from SilverWook I opted to take the audio from another capture as I felt if that weird video glitch was in there I'll better take the audio from one of the other to be on the safe side that there's no issues with the audio as well.

Sorry that this is taking an eternity, but all the problems and bad luck I've had working on this, have made me take some breaks from time to time due to frustration, if I cannot manage to get a perfect sync of the audio, I'll upload my work-files or send it to someone who can handle this.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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All I recall is saying the audio off the 704 is probably the best track. It may not matter all that much with a mono soundtrack of this vintage. Sorry to hear this is still giving you headaches. :/

How long is the glitchy sequence? I could try recapturing it.

Where were you in '77?

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Yeah, I followed your advice and took the audio off the 704-cap as I didn't want to use the audio from the 8210 as it had the frames that couldn't be restored, but now I fear that there might be similar glitches in the 704 as well. I recall there was frame differences between all the caps when I was about to attempt using an multi-cap average or median script way back. So maybe that's why I have trouble getting it to sync, not really sure about this being the case, at this stage it's just a theory of mine that the audio could also have been affected if there's a few hiccups in the video along the way.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Guys there's yet another italian version

I'm sending clips to msycamore, I hope they don't bounce back, it's 20MB files

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Holy! We don't even know what's on that VHS tape yet. ;)

Are we talking a different dub, editing, or both?

Where were you in '77?