Like I said, no one cares anymore. It's over, it's just spitting on a forest fire. Game set, matched.
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Tobar said:
Having attended the last two Celebrations I can attest to the fact that the majority of people who attend don't care at all about the preservation of the OT. Questioning random people I encountered while there I found most were completely ignorant on the subject. While also running into a few "they're HIS movies!" types.
The most bizarre aspect about the whole thing to me was that when they'd screen the films at night almost no one would bother showing up. It would get at most a quarter full and then there'd just be a stream of random people entering and leaving throughout the presentation.
Are there other scheduled events that conflict with the screenings, or are people off partying somewhere?
Where were you in '77?
Mike O said:
Game, set, match.
From what I remember they played them pretty late. I wasn't able to stay because the shuttles to and from the hotels stopped after a certain time. I just couldn't believe they treated the things that brought us all there with such little fanfare.
SilverWook wrote: Are there other scheduled events that conflict with the screenings, or are people off partying somewhere?
Two movies are shown thurs, fri, sat, so that they end just around midnight. There are no other events at the time, except for the rooms which were running late over the course of the day. Families with little kids, who would go for a day, they may stay for the first movie. A percentage of the people attending are off partying, all the websites have their own clicks. This year TPM 3D replaced the old version so that had a pretty big draw. Wanted to check if they were playing the blu-ray version, but didn't this year.
Tobar wrote: I just couldn't believe they treated the things that brought us all there with such little fanfare.
The movies are the common link which opened the door to everything else which fandom appreciates at the Celebrations. They are no longer the focal point. The movies are no longer the focal point. And much of the reason to go to C-whatever is to meet the people. But there are those who may not have a community so the movies are a way to be communal.
...So there I was, in my local HMV shop and they had the blu ray of ESB playing on the wall television.
The assistant comes over and asks if he can help me. I say no, I'm just watching the film for a moment as I am a huge Star Wars fan. "In that case" he says "These blu rays are for you....yadda, yadda..."
I say that actually, I am not a fan of these particular versions but a fan of the original versions.
"Wha.."?
The original versions of the original trilogy before George altered them, says I.
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
No,says me.The original theatrical versions of the films that were released in the 70s and 80s.
............"?"
Then I had to walk away. WTF ??
Wolfman said:
...So there I was, in my local HMV shop and they had the blu ray of ESB playing on the wall television.
The assistant comes over and asks if he can help me. I say no, I'm just watching the film for a moment as I am a huge Star Wars fan. "In that case" he says "These blu rays are for you....yadda, yadda..."
I say that actually, I am not a fan of these particular versions but a fan of the original versions.
"Wha.."?
The original versions of the original trilogy before George altered them, says I.
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
No,says me.The original theatrical versions of the films that were released in the 70s and 80s.
............"?"
Then I had to walk away. WTF ??
I think people would be very surprised by my Visual Comparison. There really aren't many effects altered. Replaced, sure, but altered, slightly if at all.
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I like both the Original 70's and 80's release,plus the Special Editions.and It would be nice to see a The Originals Restored in HD on blu-ray,similar to [Harmy],[puggo],and [dark Jedi and You_too]edits,Or like the new Restored Jaws Blu-ray.That's way I singed the Petition 1 1/2 years ago
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
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Wolfman said:
...So there I was, in my local HMV shop and they had the blu ray of ESB playing on the wall television.
The assistant comes over and asks if he can help me. I say no, I'm just watching the film for a moment as I am a huge Star Wars fan. "In that case" he says "These blu rays are for you....yadda, yadda..."
I say that actually, I am not a fan of these particular versions but a fan of the original versions.
"Wha.."?
The original versions of the original trilogy before George altered them, says I.
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
No,says me.The original theatrical versions of the films that were released in the 70s and 80s.
............"?"
Then I had to walk away. WTF ??
You should have said to them: "Even THIS job is above your level of skill. sit down before you hurt yourself"
Wolfman said:
The original versions of the original trilogy before George altered them, says I.
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
Ha, the cartoonishly hacky sales douche. This is a good thing, at this point only the types of guys with the really shitty personalities that nobody likes are out there actively in favor of this revisionist bullshit.
Baronlando said:
Wolfman said:
The original versions of the original trilogy before George altered them, says I.
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
Ha, the cartoonishly hacky sales douche. This is a good thing, at this point only the types of guys with the really shitty personalities that nobody likes are out there actively in favor of this revisionist bullshit.
Well that's rather harsh. It just seems to me that he, like many, aren't aware of what's happened to Star Wars. Which is a sad state of affairs that should compel us to enlighten the uninformed, not berate them.
Wolfman said:
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
Wait.
Seriously, did he actually utter the phrase "Cardboard lightsabers"?
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Tobar said: It just seems to me that he, like many, aren't aware of what's happened to Star Wars. Which is a sad state of affairs that should compel us to enlighten the uninformed, not berate them.
Well, we're not talking about a child, these guys I'm talking about are plenty educated. This situation has existed for 16 years now, with the educated people being mostly just fine with it. I think the high road is pretty useless at this point.
Erikstormtrooper said:
Wolfman said:
"Wha ? You mean you want to see them with cardboard lightsabers and no effects"?
Wait.
Seriously, did he actually utter the phrase "Cardboard lightsabers"?
Yep, his exact words.
I know, unbelievable isn't it ?
He could have been using hyperbole, couldn't he?
DuracellEnergizer said:
He could have been using hyperbole, couldn't he?
Can you get that without a prescription?
Bingowings said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
He could have been using hyperbole, couldn't he?
Can you get that without a prescription?
Not from a Jedi.
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Baronlando said:
Tobar said: It just seems to me that he, like many, aren't aware of what's happened to Star Wars. Which is a sad state of affairs that should compel us to enlighten the uninformed, not berate them.
Well, we're not talking about a child, these guys I'm talking about are plenty educated. This situation has existed for 16 years now, with the educated people being mostly just fine with it. I think the high road is pretty useless at this point.
I think the real reason is that there used to be a convention sub-culture of hardcore devotees, but now that there is this "nerd chic" thing going on the last decade, you have seen a huge explosion of the convention scene. Do you remember anyone talking about Comic-con in 1997? Did you even hear about it back then? For most people the answer is no. But stuff like anime conventions, comic conventions, and the idea of going to a Star Wars convention, that's a popular mainstream thing. And that's cool. But what happens is that 50% of the people there are casual fans, they are part of the "nerd culture" I guess you could say, in that they may watch Pokemon and Cowboy Bebop, and know most of the characters from Star Wars, and read Death Note manga and follow Doctor Who on TV, etc. But they may not be hardcore Star Wars fans like us. They like Star Wars, and they like to cosplay, to meet cool people, etc. Nerd conventions are a mainstream social event these days. If you said you cosplayed in 1997, after you explained what that term meant, people would assume you were a 40 year old virgin. Now, you get jocks that do that sort of thing. Totally different world in 2012 than even ten years ago. So, it's the same amount of hardcore convention goers of 1994, but now you have an additional 200% of people on top of that now that it's a huge thing who are more casual because this sort of thing is mainstream, and in anything mainstream most people don't actually know that much about it compared to an expert.
So, you have fans that like Star Wars, that aren't there just because they want to be cool or some other write-off explanation like that, they are real fans, but they don't know the history like we do, they know the basics and they may remember hearing about how it was restored with improvements in 1997 but they may not really know what that means, or care about it. People also tend to go in groups, so if there is a group of five people, maybe two of them are hardcore fans and they know all this stuff, but then the other three are casual fans who are going because the first two sold them the idea, and why not, they like Star Wars, this sounds like great fun.
I have a lot of friends who are these people, and like most who go to these conventions they tend to be in their early 20s. Rather than being experts at one thing like we are, they are nerds with a very broad sense of taste, which means they like all sorts of nerdy things like anime, comics, toys, movies, video games, etc., but because there are a million of these things nowadays they only know a little bit about the history, or variations or releases, etc.
If that sheds any light on the issue.
Baronlando said:
Tobar said: It just seems to me that he, like many, aren't aware of what's happened to Star Wars. Which is a sad state of affairs that should compel us to enlighten the uninformed, not berate them.
Well, we're not talking about a child, these guys I'm talking about are plenty educated. This situation has existed for 16 years now, with the educated people being mostly just fine with it. I think the high road is pretty useless at this point.
Yeah, the majority of people don't know, and those who do don't care. Lucas has succeeded in his goal of rewriting history. Every month, you just hear about another nail in the coffin.
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Sure, but I was thinking less of history awareness and more of the douchey sentiment from cardboard-saber guy (whether he's literal about the cardboard or not) that an old movie ought to just simply be upgraded, and how that's considered an actual legitimate thing to do now, an idea cultivated almost entirely by Star Wars '97.
Baronlando said:
Sure, but I was thinking less of history awareness and more of the douchey sentiment from cardboard-saber guy (whether he's literal about the cardboard or not) that an old movie ought to just simply be upgraded, and how that's considered an actual legitimate thing to do now, an idea cultivated almost entirely by Star Wars '97.
Except that's not what he said. He mentions cardboard lightsabers (just the prop with no rotoscoped blades) and no effects in general. That would suggest he thought Wolfman wanted to see the movie without special effects. In other words he has no idea there are different versions of the films. Let alone that the originals have been suppressed.
I think whats slowly happening is that we have a generation of kids who have grown up with the 97 and later versions and that's "their version" meaning the one they have attachment too. They might have heard of the OOT or maybe downloaded a copy and decided that the SE had more stuff in it etc.
Sometimes on the forum I'll see posts from people who saw the special editions first but ended up liking the OOT better which is really refreshing. Technically the originals have a more realistic feel to them (thanks to no cg) so they just work better. However most of the casual fans would never think about this and those raised on the SE will want their Rontos.
I think someone really needs to do a definitive interview with George on this whole subject. Why when it comes to these particular films he doesn't believe in a preservation of any kind of the original releases? Especially of the amazing original effects work? Maybe theres something personal there we don't know about.
This reminds me of one of the most rage-inducing moments in my life.
A friend and I were talking about the 3D release of TPM and another friend came into the conversation and said something along the lines of 'Star Wars sucks, why would you want to see that, etc' and of course, both of us being Star Wars fans, we were upset and questioned why he thought they sucked, and his response was 'The special effects are so BAD!' I was confused at first, but my friend deduced that he was talking about the special effects in the OT. He told him that this was the prequels, and the effect were CGI, and he said 'Oh. In that case, I might go see it.'
I'm sure I don't need to explain why that upset me, but I firmly believe (and afterwards, my friend I was talking to initially agreed with me as well) that the models and puppetry in the OT look far, far more realistic than any of the CGI in the prequels. And honestly, I don't consider that an opinion, but a fact. I think the only reason he thought CGI looks more real is because he's been brainwashed by today's media and society to believe that CGI=good special effects and puppets and costumes=bad, without actually taking the time to look and think.
And, of course, the added rage of judging the films by their ''bad'' SFX instead of their story, characters, etc.
stretch009 said:
Mike O said:
Game, set, match.
However you say, it translates to "we're fucked."
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
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