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I like the idea of just cutting out the Emperor coming to save Anakin and end it with Obi looking down on Anakin (cut out Obi walking away).  That way if you do the funeral on Alderaan scene it would appear that Obi brought Anakin's body with him to be buried on Padme's new home world... which leads to:

- has anyone considered the idea of Naboo being destroyed (if not like Alderaan, then the surface of the planet laid to waste)?

I also like the idea of not even showing Anakin becoming Vader... just end it with him burning (take out the last moans so he goes quiet, ie. audience thinks he's dead) and Obi looking on.  Then (as Muddyknees I believe wrote) you see Vader in ANH and go with it.  That way when you get to EMPIRE and Vader does the reveal, the kids go "Holy Shit!  I thought he was dead!"  Combine that with the whole "fake Harvey Dent-ish" funeral, and it makes Obi Wan and Yoda a little more dimensional as characters.

Overall though... these movies are just a mess.  Editing, acting, voice work... this is going to need an entire make-over, with new voice acting and editing and LESS SPACESHIPS LANDING. Jesus Christ, these films would probably be an hour or 3 less if you cut out all of the landing and taking off crap.

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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       For the Fett survives thing. We see SLAVE1 in Tat orbit? A confrontation with MF and a fighter/s?

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How and where?

Fett is a bounty hunter, this is something Lucas seemed to forget the moment the credits for ESB rolled back in 1980.

For me the only use that makes sense is the scenario where he sells the Emperor's location to the Rebels and sells the Rebel's presence in the Imperial trap to Vader.

That way he is consistent with the character we see in ESB.

Otherwise leave him out all together, in a number of edits he is proven easy to remove and not that missed to be honest.

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I have no problem with him being there....it always just seemed to me like Jabba had taken him on as one of his cronies.....its not difficult to see why a gangster would want his own personal bounty hunter. He was always one of my fav characters until he was ruined by EP II.....but I think he SHOULD die in ROTJ.....BUT not from an accidental tumble into the sarlaac.....would have been nice to see Fett and Han duke it out.

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If you kill him you have to have a scenario where he is around to be killed and that either pumps up his importance fan service fashion or reduces him to a box to be ticked (as in the current versions).

Yoda dies, Jabba dies, Leia is free to marry Han, The Emperor dies, Vader dies and the Empire collapses all in one film.

Boba Fett dying just seems unnecessary.

He's just this guy ya'know.

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He's the guy who delivered Han to Jabba.....and Han was never able to defend himself....I've always wanted to see Han get his revenge in a fair fight......personally that is the importance of having him die...to MY eye anyways. It adds to Han's character arc......and in a film where mostly all he does is bumble around its sorely needed.

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I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but I know how to fix the discrepancy of Luke doing nothing after he leaves Tatooine if you move Yoda to the start. What you do is, you use the sandstorm scene, and instead of having Luke leaving the planet, Luke goes to his old house to reminisce or something and you put the scene with Ben right there, in the house.

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Monroville said:

I also like the idea of not even showing Anakin becoming Vader... just end it with him burning (take out the last moans so he goes quiet, ie. audience thinks he's dead) and Obi looking on.  Then (as Muddyknees I believe wrote) you see Vader in ANH and go with it.  That way when you get to EMPIRE and Vader does the reveal, the kids go "Holy Shit!  I thought he was dead!"  Combine that with the whole "fake Harvey Dent-ish" funeral, and it makes Obi Wan and Yoda a little more dimensional as characters.

 If you go that route, then you also have to take out the whole "A pupil of mine named Darth Vader..." speech Obi-Wan gives in ANH.  Because it would be pretty obvious that he was talking about Anakin if one had seen ROTS. 

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muddyknees2000 said:

He's the guy who delivered Han to Jabba.....and Han was never able to defend himself....I've always wanted to see Han get his revenge in a fair fight......personally that is the importance of having him die...to MY eye anyways. It adds to Han's character arc......and in a film where mostly all he does is bumble around its sorely needed.

With all due love and respect that's borderline Lucas.

A) Fett is just doing his job like Han was before the first film ('spice' is probably more Frank Herbert than Martin Yan). In many ways Fett is Solo's shadow. He has the fancy ride, he is truly mercenary and he is truly solo (no hairy co-pilot for him).

B) Solo isn't the guy he was in the first film. Like Lando (who is a projection of Han's future when we see him first) he has responsible, tied up his horse and is almost ready to settle down.

Having ROTJ Solo fight Fett as an act of revenge is as out of character as having ANH Solo let Greedo get a shot in.

My dream confrontation between the two guys would be to set up such a moment and have Solo walk away from it and almost feel pity for Fett stuck as he is deeper down the hole he used to be in.

If you want real character development for Han, have him save Fett from the pit.

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Funny how I recall Harrison Ford on Oprah how many years back how he was never a fan of Han Solo, saying there was no depth in his character.  Talk about a waste indeed.  Han saving Boba from the Sarlaac you say?  Wonder if Lando could get switched with Boba and somehow Lando is somewhere else amongst the fighting? 

After that Boba doesn't really thank Han at all and would just fly off having second thoughts about killing him there on the spot.  Hmm perhaps Ady could hire a genuine body double for mainly Solo.  Camera pointing behind Han's shoulder or something like that?

“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”

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He hasn't gone by the name of Vaderios since before you were born.

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 You may dispense with the pleasantries, Im here to say the sites that 005 runs (blog wordpress etc) , which contains my artwork should remove all my images (working and non working) and any mentioning of my name within these pages, within 5 days. (even from facebook I think there is a digital yoda replacement i did and someone posted) 

Nice to see you Bingo and Ben :) Im glad you are holding ok :)


-Angel

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Hmmm...

The only 005 controlled interweb pages I can see that has any of your alterations of Star Wars imagery on is the now largely defunct ROTJ wishlist blog page.

A lot of effort went into making that page from a list on this very thread.

I have no interest in your falling out with anyone else (I'm sure my minor quibbles with people on the off topic section bore everyone else reading them senseless).

But it's not really in the spirit of things to make demands especially if you are being credited.

 

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Thanks Bingo, but you''ll see that the thing about all this is that I don't want the work to be labeled for adywan's project and ultimately to his credit. Those who are enough into my work will still have access to it through my Deviant Art page, and soon even to personal blogs. Personally, I find it not fair that one's work passes by in vain while others use a lot of concepts and ideas never giving a clear definition if the credit will come back to the ovens where they were cooked. You may say this is a melting pot, with everyone's ideas, and I agree. It's just that some people are reluctant to let some of us throw things in their pot, well, in that case they won't have access to ANY of my ingredients.


I wanted to have short interactions in this pages, because otherwise it would be rather hard, and so I decided to deal with things with one swift stroke.


-Angel

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This thread is a melting pot but Ady's edits are Ady's edits.

He is no more obliged to use any idea from anyone any more than anyone else doing an edit is.

I don't see he or 005 taking credit for any Star Wars derived images that you did. Do you?

The Wishlist blog page was a spin off of this thread put together with a lot of effort and by 005, everyone was credited and ideas being used by Ady were clearly labelled as such (most of them were not).

I'm sure if you want 005 to remove things you did from that page he will but throwing demands around won't win you any friends.

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 I wont elaborate any further. Thanks for the interest. I just wanted that simple thing. And thats all from me :)


-Angel

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mfastx said:

Monroville said:

I also like the idea of not even showing Anakin becoming Vader... just end it with him burning (take out the last moans so he goes quiet, ie. audience thinks he's dead) and Obi looking on.  Then (as Muddyknees I believe wrote) you see Vader in ANH and go with it.  That way when you get to EMPIRE and Vader does the reveal, the kids go "Holy Shit!  I thought he was dead!"  Combine that with the whole "fake Harvey Dent-ish" funeral, and it makes Obi Wan and Yoda a little more dimensional as characters.

 If you go that route, then you also have to take out the whole "A pupil of mine named Darth Vader..." speech Obi-Wan gives in ANH.  Because it would be pretty obvious that he was talking about Anakin if one had seen ROTS. 

See what I mean?  The Prequels are a mess!

Curse you and your infernal logic (I was going to say to just remove Ben saying "named Darth Vader", but being that we SEE Obi-wan do the deed, it still wouldn't make any sense other than being a lie).

 

Angel: I guess Aloha (hello/goodbye)? 

Sad to see you pop up and then go away again, but there is an alternative.  You can just re-up your images on your image hoster and delete the current ones.  It will mean a bit of work on your end, but it will also mean that any images linked here will show up as blank boxes.

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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Remove within 5 days?

 

Angel, you are the master of unintentional comedy.

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It makes it sound like my underwear... when I've got company coming over.

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       Is there a way to show how the Bothans learned the location. A spy overhears STs talking about the distance to their next posting? Sees a readout on an imperial shuttle showing nav instructions?

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That was one of the reasons why I suggested Fett as an alternate source for the information.

Vader wants the Rebels in the Emperor's trap, he has previous form with Fett, while Solo and Leia may find it unpalatable the Rebels have already had dealings with shady people. As fan service it's functional.

Who give a damn about Bothans?

Outside the EU we have no idea who or what they are, for all we know they could be the Imperial equivalent to the Boy Scouts movement which explains Mon Mothma's portentous delivery of the line.

It was a cheap emotional button push.

Knowing that the Rebels are heading into disaster before they leave is much more suspenseful than having the Emperor surprise us all with it and then end up with egg on his face as he falls screaming down a well.