How would a Star Wars reboot do? — Page 2

Even though I don't agree with all the points, I think this post of 1Shouta is an excellent example of how incredibly screwed up this so called epic saga of six episodes Lucas have tried in so amateurish ways to make a cohesive whole of. Isn't it now a newcomer to the series is supposed to finally be able to sit back and be blown away by his complete saga in the "correct" order with all his latest "improvements." No, Lucas have failed in epic proportions, and he couldn't and still cannot find his way out of this mess himself. I find it refreshing to hear this view by someone from the younger generation that sees it now "the ways it was always meant to be". Nice to see it's working. ;) Was it only Kaminski's book that made you see the light?

I can understand your annoyance 1Shouta, and your desire to have a less fragmented series of films. Part of that is probably because you love the good parts of it so much. I learned to accept this myself when we never got a real continuation of ESB, Jedi is basically my prequel, I was extremely disappointed by that film and have actually still to this day only seen The Phantom Menace of the new films, only short snippets of the others. I'm sure there were those that were disappointed by ESB as well. Some people back then, including my own father to just give an example, expected a sort of self contained story like the first film, sort of in the similar vein of the later Indiana Jones series.

These films will unfortunately never be a story-consistent series of films to some of us, no matter what stupid things Lucas tries with them nowadays. It's a mess. Much of it as you know was basically made up as he went along. You just have to accept it or just watch and enjoy the films you do like (in the case of SW it is rather difficult though with the suppression of the originals going on).

the fragmented nature of star wars

appeals to me now. that's why the

prequels don't bother me, and i 

can enjoy all of them.

in fact, because of that. i enjoy

the clone wars a lot. and quite

a few of the books and the extended

universe have made the whole star

wars story pretty great to me.

i'm just glad that there's so much

star wars material out there to enjoy,

and that people can pick and choose

which parts they want to explore and

learn about or ignore.

later

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To remake proponents: did any of you consider using the earliest drafts of Star Wars? Remaking the thing Flash Gordon action style? Now that'd be a completely different movie! :D

Jonno said:

RRS-1980 said:

Jonno said:

Whoosh...

Please do elaborate.

Georgec's comment was clearly ironic and made for humorous effect - you might have taken it a tad too seriously.

Anyway, this is very strange thread considering the OP's thesis is "I haven't seen the original version - should it be remade?" More watching, less posting would seem the best approach...

But I was serious. Lebeouf or nothing!

;)

Did you notice that our replies weren't about "how" but "why"?

Just like with cloning. You're like those scientists who argue "how this can be done". While there are many people asking "should this be done at all?"

Why can't you enjoy these movies? Because they aren't HD transfers? Why there are so many people obsessed with display format? They'd rather watch lousy soap opera in crystal clear HD than a movie masterpiece in poor SD.

Have any of you watched black&white talkies (that's how people nicknamed movies after introducing that technical novelty: sound) ?  Can't you enjoy them without the urge of colorizing them or remaking from scratch?

In your own words: if you "view Star Wars as something broken beyond repair", then "Nobody's forcing you to watch them". Watch something else then, OK?

Oh, and to PT-lovers and "Nobody's forcing you to watch them": but Lucas' merchandising and marketing machine got permanently switched to PT mode. Even OT related products got tainted. I will never get X-Wing or Dark Forces sequel/remake that'd be devoid of PT influences. So my only choice is to skip Star Wars altogether. Sadly, that's what I do.

Hamill sums it up pretty well here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W7paueNuEc#t=5m0s

I definitely can't agree about Hamill being a terrible actor, I do think his acting in the first film was subpar in a few scenes, but it was the great chemistry between Ford, Fisher and Hamill that made it work so well. Personally I think The Empire Strikes Back is proof enough of his acting ability, not every actor can pull off the kind of work he did in that film, I don't think Ford could've done it, he basically have no human to act against in that film, but somehow he managed to pull it off beautifully, a quite underrated performance IMO. I think this is also the case of Lucas vs Kershner as a director.

A little off topic, but is there any truth to the story about Mark Hamill actually falling in love with Carrie Fisher during the filming of Star Wars? I do recall reading that in some interview with him. I can't blame him though.

As for the HD/SD issue of the original films, I agree with RRS-1980.  Yes, I would personally LOVE to see Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi released on 1080i/p Blu-Ray completely restored (ala the Blu-Ray Jaws and The Godfather) with tons of features (a multitude of audio mixes. etc) and great cover art which includes the original as released film titles/logos/poster design. etc.  However, if all there is (officially) is the 2006 GOUT, or a fan-edit, or some beaten up VHS, I'd rather watch any of those 3 than see the ruined versions of the films.  You can't be a true fan if you're unwilling to watch something that isn't in HD, even if it's the superior version of the film.  

We should all support a massive restoration (official) of the original theatrical films/audio mixes/titling for the OT on Blu-Ray Disc and future formats, but in the meantime, please don't watch the 2011 GL Blu-Rays just because they're in HD. A 1982 rental VHS of "Star Wars" is more High Definition in overall quality in my book.  

It's a shame about the state of Star Wars in general.  No one is willing to admit (save for some of you guys) the changes in the overall story (for example, everybody I know thinks I'm a huge idiot for "thinking" that Vader wasn't always intended as Luke's father or that The Prequels don't fit into the original idea/backstory of the OT), or much else.  "I appreciate it as a Saga, I'm sorry you only like the old stuff", I hear all the time.  Sorry, but something as banal as Darth Maul (and his multiple resurrections) or films as trite as the Prequels just don't meet my expectations.   

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

RRS-1980 said:

Oh, and to PT-lovers and "Nobody's forcing you to watch them": but Lucas' merchandising and marketing machine got permanently switched to PT mode. Even OT related products got tainted. I will never get X-Wing or Dark Forces sequel/remake that'd be devoid of PT influences. So my only choice is to skip Star Wars altogether. Sadly, that's what I do.

Reading this, I'm reminded of what part of Star Wars really needs to be rebooted - the EU. Remove the NJO era, Legacy era, and all the PT-styled Jedi and Sith outside of the PT era from canon, replace all writers with a hard-on for the PT with writers who respect and appreciate the old school SW Universe, and everything'll start coming up Milhouse.

 

I'm okay with that.  I'd love a PT Reboot first and foremost.  So much could be done to improve the current state of Star Wars.  I want to feel proud to be a fan again.  

msycamore said:

I definitely can't agree about Hamill being a terrible actor, I do think his acting in the first film was subpar in a few scenes, but it was the great chemistry between Ford, Fisher and Hamill that made it work so well.

 not sure if its bad acting or just that ...i dunno...he is just soooo 70s!! bwaaaahahaahahahahahahaahahhaaa

i watch old you tube clips of cheap trick and i swear hamill and robin zander were seperated at birth !  BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

They remade star wars in 2009 and retitled it star trek.

We'd have to compare ESB treatments/drafts before Hamill's accident (January 1977), yet the earliest known Lucas' treatments are from November 1977. Even if he had earlier notes, I'll bet these weren't that detailed. Leigh Brackett's draft is from February 23, 1978 and it does feature Luke's face injury (I'm reading it now).

DuracellEnergizer said:

I prefer to think that a big alien punched Luke's nose in between SW and TESB. It's just funnier for me that way.

Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba could've caught up with him.