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How long have you been working on this project -1?  Will you post schematics of your scanning machine so that others may attempt to do what you are doing?  It would be very helpful for even non Star Wars related material.

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lucasdroid said:

How long have you been working on this project -1?  Will you post schematics of your scanning machine so that others may attempt to do what you are doing?  It would be very helpful for even non Star Wars related material.

this is where most of that information is

concerning the equipment:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/topic/5853/page/37/

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/topic/5853/page/38/

 

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jero32 said:


It's actually letting out a somewhat high pitched shriek of awesome.
Actually I think Stinky is right on this one.

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I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

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lucasdroid said:

I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

gotcha,

i'll find out what i can. although some of the equipment

is no longer made, or made from improvised parts.

 

it's basically a modified film strip projector.

the pulley system is based off a vhs motor, and connected

so that it moves at the rate of about 2 frames per second.

we used a manual system before which was much more

tedious. there's a lens between the camera and the

projector. i'll try to find out the light source type also.

 

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here's some more samples of frames

from the last clip.



again, these are just to show some tests,

if you notice, you will see more image

than any GOUT version since we haven't

cropped anything it yet, which is from 3-5%

of the image

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/588594/#TopicPost588594





for more information on the various cropping

issues, check:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/topic/13945/



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<p>What photoshop/other program options do you typically use to correct the red colour? In gimp the "curves" option (under colors etc) seems to work, but I can't get all the red out sometimes.<br /><br />edit: using tint and saturation seems to work a little but it might've taken out a bit too much color.</p>

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lucasdroid said:

I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

 

from cinch, who made the machine:

 

about the transfer machine:
 
it's a dukane film strip projector. i'm using only the original lenses of the projector and the canon.
 
the only mods i did was to replace the original lamp with a lcd light source, motorize the pulldown mechanism/intermittent movement and to install a trigger contact for the canon.
 
that's pretty much it. not really that complicated.
 
hope this helps for now.
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jero32 said:

 

What photoshop/other program options do you typically use to correct the red colour? In gimp the "curves" option (under colors etc) seems to work, but I can't get all the red out sometimes.

edit: using tint and saturation seems to work a little but it might've taken out a bit too much color.

 

adobe premiere a little bit (for me), along with virtual dub..

but we mostly using the professional AVID suite.

 

here are 2 examples of the early attempts to

correct the red tint:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/588725/#TopicPost588725

 

 

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Hey -1, your PM box is full, buddy!  Drop me a line when you clean it up!

It’s really sad when the “creative minds” behind something we hold dear are also guilty of its destruction.

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What are you projecting the image onto?  The only other way to do it would be to take a picture right off of the film? 

 

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<p>If I understand correctly, that's exactly what he's doing.</p>

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lucasdroid wrote: The only other way to do it would be to take a picture right off of the film?

Gotta agree, if you want an 80s appropriate film preservation methodology using the silly putty trick is a novel and inspiring choice.

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I Thought he was basicly taking a picture of the projection directly. (so not bounced off a screen)

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<p>-1, are you making use of any of the red version for your final version, or only for reference and color tinkering? curious.</p>

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VideoPhonic said:

 

-1, are you making use of any of the red version for your final version, or only for reference and color tinkering? curious.

 

not from the test reel. that's just for playing around with.

 

the other 5 reels we have, might have some frames that have

less grain than the LPP, so we might use some of that.

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I Thought he was basicly taking a picture of the projection directly. (so not bounced off a screen)

yes, the video and pictures of the setup show that we have the camera

directly mounted to take pictures directly through the lens off the lcd

illuminated film.

 

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here's a clarification of the

machine and setup:

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WOW I feel a bit like Lumpy

watching the Boba Fett cartoon.

I just hope the storm troopers don’t come in the room.

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here's a clarification of the

machine and setup:

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I don't follow this thread often, but I do have a question. Are you snapping each picture by hand or is it automated somehow?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3