xhonzi said:
DominicCobb said:
Well, yeah, maybe he should have used a gun if he couldn't defeat Bane, but... you know... he did.
You must not have watched the same movie I watched. In your version, did Batman not have his back broken and get sent to a hell-hole for 5 months during the which countless people were killed and/or terrorized? And then, at the end of their later fight, Bane distracts Batman long enough for Talia to slip a knife betwixt his ribs and only due to the long odds of Catwoman actually coming back AND SHOOTING him (with guns) is Bane defeated?
You misunderstand me, which is somewhat my fault. For obvious reasons he didn't use a gun the first time he went up against Bane. Then, yes, Bane broke him. So if Batman didn't think he could, when he came back, defeat Bane, then, yes, it would be selfish for him not to use a gun. But, as you can see from their final fight, Batman knew he could defeat Bane, and he did. Bane was broken, the pain was taking over because Batman messed up his mask. Bane was only able to get up to kill Batman afterwards because Talia fixed his mask. So why use a gun? Also, Bane did not distract him, Batman just wanted to let him see his plan fail, and Batman was banking on the fact that Miranda was on his side. Unbeknownst to Batman, Miranda was actually Talia, and behind the whole operation. This false trust was where he got screwed. If he brought a gun and shot Bane, yes, Bane would be dead, but that wouldn't stop Talia from stabbing him.
Let me see if I'm following: Batman thinks he can take Bane without a gun. He can't. Back is broken, people suffer and die. Batman trains, this time thinks he can take Bane without a gun. He gets Bane on the ropes, but he tags Talia in... so he still can't defeat Bane. A bomb is about to go off and kill 8 million people.
Do I have it right?
Well, Bane wasn't really on the ropes. I would say he was defeated. Unless you mean you think the only way for Batman to defeat him would be to kill him. Which makes no sense. Bane was out. He wasn't fighting any more. He posed no threat. But he did know who the trigger man was. This was something Batman wanted to know also. Unfortunately for Batman, he had NO idea that the person he worked with and put the utmost trust in was going to stab him. Bane did not simply tag in Talia. I don't know how I can make this more clear. If Batman knew Miranda was on Bane's side, there would have been no problem. So I don't see what the problem here is. I don't remember seeing "Why didn't Bruce Wayne know Miranda was Talia?" on your list, which is probably because he had no reason to think she was. To emphasize and summarize, I leave you with this: BATMAN BREAKS BANE'S MASK, THEN PROCEEDS TO DEFAET HIM. BATMAN ASKS BANE WHERE THE TRIGGERMAN IS. MIRANDA, THE PERSON WHO BRUCE WAYNE CHOSE AS THE CEO OF HIS COMPANY, COMES OVER AND STABS BATMAN. BATMAN IS, UNDERSTANDABLY, CONFUSED. SHE TELLS HIM SHE IS TALIA AL GHUL, AND FIXES BANE'S MASK. SHE LEAVES, AND BANE RISES UP FROM DEFEAT (MUCH LIKE BATMAN DID) AND PREPARES TO KILL BATMAN. So, yes, while I understand that Batman would have not be about to be killed by Bane, had he already killed Bane; Talia would have probably killed him instead. It's important to note, also, that if Batman were to break his one rule, he would need a damn good reason. But he had no reason. He didn't think "I should just kill Bane because if I did then he wouldn't be able to kill me after my friend betrays me and fixes up his mask," because he had NO reason to believe that would happen. Hope you understand now.