I agree with ender here. I find a lot of people are overanalyzing this film. Yes there are some nitpicks, but, I mean, there have really been only a handful of perfect films, ever. So I'm not going to nitpick all of your argument, but I'll say a few things.
xhonzi said:
27. Why was this even a Batman movie? He's hardly in it. It's more about Bane and John Blake. Why not just make that movie. It's almost like Nolan made a Batman movie under duress. He was contractually obligated to put Batman in at least 15% of the movie, so he did... but that didn't stop him from making 3 or 4 other characters be more interesting and have more screen time.
Do you think Batman was in more of The Dark Knight than he was in this? That film was completely the Joker's show. This film was about Bruce's journey. Besides they established early on that his body is completely wrecked. Sure he could temporarily compensate with those bracers but there's no way he could sustain that indefinitely.
I don't think Batman was in TDK enough either, but Bruce started the movie being Batman, was Batman the entire movie, and was Batman at the end. TDKR has very little Batman (less than TDK, I'm guessing) and not much more Bruce.
This is an argument I've had with some friends of mine. Just because Batman is in the film for a fraction of the run time doesn't mean the movie isn't all about Batman. Because it is.
Warbler said:
xhonzi said:
13. I know Batman hates guns. But how many innocent lives is he willing to spend to keep this ideal? He fights Bane mano-e-mano and almost loses (twice!) when a well placed bullet to the head could have ended things pretty quickly. 8 million lives are on the line, but Batman still refuses to use a gun. [JohnAdams]Incredible.[/JohnAdams] Henry Jones, Jr. could have ended that fight a lot sooner and wouldn’t have put so many innocent lives on the line.
get this through you your head, Batman doesn't use guns and he doesn't kill. That is part of his character. His parents were killed with a gun. Batman fans would have been outraged if Nolan decided to have Batman use a gun to kill Bane.
Get this through your head: I know Batman doesn't use guns or kill... except for... you know... when he does.
Even so, my complaint is that in a situation like this, not using a gun is ridiculously selfish and risky and stupid. Period end of sentence!
Well, yeah, maybe he should have used a gun if he couldn't defeat Bane, but... you know... he did.
xhonzi said:
16. Bruce is still broken up about Rachel 8 years later? Truth be told, I think Harvey in TDK acts a little too over the top at her passing. Maybe my wife of 10 years, but not a girl I had been dating long enough to be quasi-engaged. Rachel must be some girl that both Harvey and Bruce can't live without her.
heartbreak can do a number on you.
Tell me more, Warbler.
It's not just that Rachel died. The thing is, ever since his parents died, Bruce Wayne has never been Bruce Wayne. He didn't know what to do with his life, until he decided on revenge. He couldn't fulfill that, and decided to fight crime instead. So he became Batman, and decided to be Batman for as long as he needed. When he was done would be with Rachel and they would live a life. After TDK, Bruce retired as Batman, but, without Rachel, he wasn't sure what to do with his life. He tried building the fusion reactor to help save the world, but shut it down when he realized its danger. After that, he wasn't sure what to do. Bruce has always been a broken man since the death of his parents. Now that he doesn't have something to do, he just sits around, Howard Hughes style. But, fortunately, during the course of TDKR, Bruce learns that to live you really need to live. So no, it wasn't just heartbreak.