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^^That sounds great. A good improvement on the original!

I actually had kind of an off-the-wall idea for Grievous, which may or may not work.  He's an evil, eccentric robot who calls himself "Dr. Maul" and always refers to himself in the 3rd person.  It might bring back the comic-book villain feel from the OT. 

Why is he called Maul?  Maybe Palplatine programmed him that way in honor/memory of his fallen apprentice.  Or perhaps he IS Maul in some small way (he used Maul's heart or something small like that and then enshrined it in this robot).

It's the sort of crazy thing that wouldn't be out of character for Palpatine, considering that he does the same exact thing to Anakin at the end of the movie. 

I know Grievous=Maul has been discussed ad nauseum, but what if we don't get into that  and just let the audience wonder, "Why the heck does he call himself Maul, anyway?"

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman said:

^^That sounds great. A good improvement on the original!

I actually had kind of an off-the-wall idea for Grievous, which may or may not work.  He's an evil, eccentric robot who calls himself "Dr. Maul" and always refers to himself in the 3rd person.  It might bring back the comic-book villain feel from the OT. 

Why is he called Maul?  Maybe Palplatine programmed him that way in honor/memory of his fallen apprentice.  Or perhaps he IS Maul in some small way (he used Maul's heart or something small like that and then enshrined it in this robot).

It's the sort of crazy thing that wouldn't be out of character for Palpatine, considering that he does the same exact thing to Anakin at the end of the movie. 

I know Grievous=Maul has been discussed ad nauseum, but what if we don't get into that  and just let the audience wonder, "Why the heck does he call himself Maul, anyway?"

That's all fine and good. If you did it, it could be cool. Honestly though, I just wish we could Grevious more purpose besides just giving Obi-Wan something to do so Anakin can be alone to make bad decisions. =)

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mrbenja0618 said:

Trooperman said:

^^That sounds great. A good improvement on the original!

I actually had kind of an off-the-wall idea for Grievous, which may or may not work.  He's an evil, eccentric robot who calls himself "Dr. Maul" and always refers to himself in the 3rd person.  It might bring back the comic-book villain feel from the OT. 

Why is he called Maul?  Maybe Palplatine programmed him that way in honor/memory of his fallen apprentice.  Or perhaps he IS Maul in some small way (he used Maul's heart or something small like that and then enshrined it in this robot).

It's the sort of crazy thing that wouldn't be out of character for Palpatine, considering that he does the same exact thing to Anakin at the end of the movie. 

I know Grievous=Maul has been discussed ad nauseum, but what if we don't get into that  and just let the audience wonder, "Why the heck does he call himself Maul, anyway?"

That's all fine and good. If you did it, it could be cool. Honestly though, I just wish we could Grevious more purpose besides just giving Obi-Wan something to do so Anakin can be alone to make bad decisions. =)

To be honest, I wish I could just cut out that entire part of the movie with Obi-Wan.  It is completely pointless and literally serves no other function than giving Obi-Wan something to do while Anakin turns bad.  But I'm already removing Yoda vs. Palpatine.  If you take this out too, what is there left?

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Trooperman said:

^^That sounds great. A good improvement on the original!

I actually had kind of an off-the-wall idea for Grievous, which may or may not work.  He's an evil, eccentric robot who calls himself "Dr. Maul" and always refers to himself in the 3rd person.  It might bring back the comic-book villain feel from the OT. 

Why is he called Maul?  Maybe Palplatine programmed him that way in honor/memory of his fallen apprentice.  Or perhaps he IS Maul in some small way (he used Maul's heart or something small like that and then enshrined it in this robot).

It's the sort of crazy thing that wouldn't be out of character for Palpatine, considering that he does the same exact thing to Anakin at the end of the movie. 

I know Grievous=Maul has been discussed ad nauseum, but what if we don't get into that  and just let the audience wonder, "Why the heck does he call himself Maul, anyway?"

That's all fine and good. If you did it, it could be cool. Honestly though, I just wish we could Grevious more purpose besides just giving Obi-Wan something to do so Anakin can be alone to make bad decisions. =)

To be honest, I wish I could just cut out that entire part of the movie with Obi-Wan.  It is completely pointless and literally serves no other function than giving Obi-Wan something to do while Anakin turns bad.  But I'm already removing Yoda vs. Palpatine.  If you take this out too, what is there left?

Oh yeah, I know. You basically have to try and make it stronger somehow. That's why many were trying to make Grevious actually be a restructured Maul, because then you have a back story for Obi-Wan. The man who killed his master lives. Gives it purpose. But that would require an eye change.

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mrbenja0618 said:

Oh yeah, I know. You basically have to try and make it stronger somehow. That's why many were trying to make Grevious actually be a restructured Maul, because then you have a back story for Obi-Wan. The man who killed his master lives. Gives it purpose. But that would require an eye change.

What if his eyes weren't changed but he was still made out of pieces of Darth Maul?  Maybe all of his facial tattoos got seared off.  I don't know if we would actually get into all of that. 

I know that Maul was a man of few words in Episode I.  I wish the Grievous character were not so flamboyant and over-the-top, although that could probably be edited down. Turn him into a killing machine who only has a couple dozen lines in the movie. 

We discussed this a long time ago, but what would really be great to sell this would be a scene between Palpatine and Grievous, possibly a recut combining Hayden's Frankenstein scene and some Grievous close-ups.

Wait, I just had an idea.  Remember in "Empire Strikes Back" when Vader and Luke have this long, telepathic conversation? 

They were in two completely separate locations but they were calling out to each other.  Irvin Kershner did it with these really short fades. 

Could something similar be done here at the beginning of the movie? 

Palpatine: Darth Maul.....

Grievous: Lord Palpatine

Palpatine: My apprentice....

Grievous: My master.....

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Trooperman said:

To be honest, I wish I could just cut out that entire part of the movie with Obi-Wan.  It is completely pointless and literally serves no other function than giving Obi-Wan something to do while Anakin turns bad.  But I'm already removing Yoda vs. Palpatine.  If you take this out too, what is there left?

You're right, there's not much left. If the Doctor Maul idea (which I love) doesn't work out, you could leave out large portions of both Episodes 2 and 3, put them together, and call it a "Double Feature." Just an idea.

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Trooperman said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Oh yeah, I know. You basically have to try and make it stronger somehow. That's why many were trying to make Grevious actually be a restructured Maul, because then you have a back story for Obi-Wan. The man who killed his master lives. Gives it purpose. But that would require an eye change.

What if his eyes weren't changed but he was still made out of pieces of Darth Maul?  Maybe all of his facial tattoos got seared off.  I don't know if we would actually get into all of that. 

I know that Maul was a man of few words in Episode I.  I wish the Grievous character were not so flamboyant and over-the-top, although that could probably be edited down. Turn him into a killing machine who only has a couple dozen lines in the movie. 

We discussed this a long time ago, but what would really be great to sell this would be a scene between Palpatine and Grievous, possibly a recut combining Hayden's Frankenstein scene and some Grievous close-ups.

Wait, I just had an idea.  Remember in "Empire Strikes Back" when Vader and Luke have this long, telepathic conversation? 

They were in two completely separate locations but they were calling out to each other.  Irvin Kershner did it with these really short fades. 

Could something similar be done here at the beginning of the movie? 

Palpatine: Darth Maul.....

Grievous: Lord Palpatine

Palpatine: My apprentice....

Grievous: My master.....

I really like this idea. It would be interesting if he was structured to look different and was renamed Grevious... But to have him be Maul, it needs to be revealed to Obi-Wan somehow otherwise it's pointless foreshadowing. Know what I mean? There has to be a payoff.

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^^During the lightsaber fight maybe?  I know it's been suggested before. 

I wish that I could just wish my feelings away...but I can't.  Wishful wishing can only lead to wishes wished for in futile wishfulness, which is not what I wish to wish for. 

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1990osu said:

^^During the lightsaber fight maybe?  I know it's been suggested before. 

True, and T-man already plans to redo the music there I believe....

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^Hi MrBen...I was accepted at fanedit.org so we will chat soon. 

In the meantime, I have not disappeared- just working elsewhere. I've located an actor to play Jar-Jar on another forum.  We're working on the specific voice but the first priority is that it will mesh somewhat with the character onscreen.  The idea is that he'll do not only Jar-Jar's three scenes from Ep. II, but that he'll do the dialogue for Episode I too.  I guess that means I'll need to start another thread for Episode I.

Even if all I did was swap out and replace Jar-Jar's lines and just released that as Episode I for SOTDS consistency, it would probably be an improvement. 

Still working on an Anakin for Episode II and III. 

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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We have Anakin for Episodes II and III.  His voice is perfect and he has access to good equipment.  That means I need to do script revisions for Episode III so we can do it in one shot. More later.

Also, I think we'll try doing dubs of Episode II and III as is (the George Lucas versions), so that people who don't want to watch all the changes can at least watch the movies as is with this guy playing Anakin.  I'll try and release it as an alternate audio track that can be synched with the official DVDs.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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would it be worth getting him to read a few versions or drafts? just so you have choices later on? much of the dialogue on SOTDS was spot on.
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Just to float an idea I posted on the Star Wars arm of the forums.

What if Anakin cries out "Nooo" as the helmet is being lowered and he is being sealed into his suit/cage and his cries are cut off by the helmet and then turn into James Earl Jones for a few seconds.

It could work.

If a fan edit can do the "nooooo" thing well alarm bells may ring.

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Bingowings, neat idea, but I think the first breath of Vader is a much stronger moment. We're better off without the "NOOOO" altogether.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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ben_danger said:

would it be worth getting him to read a few versions or drafts? just so you have choices later on? much of the dialogue on SOTDS was spot on.

That was my thought.  That's also why I want to get recordings of all of the original dialogue from him as backup in case some plot point doesn't work or etc. 

For example, I wish I had gotten backups of Lama-Su saying "Jango" instead of just "Marcus" in case I had wanted to change it back...

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition