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The Original Trilogy - Laser Disc Conversion Thread — Page 2

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Hi, first post here.

I have an idea i want to share.

Now when the official dvds soon hit the market, wouldnt the best thing be to rip those dvd and then replace all the alltered scenes with scenes from definitive coll.

That way you would have the best pic and sound and still have the original trilogy. touche!

waddaya think?
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impractical, you'd see the quality significantly change and it would take away from your enjoyment of the film.
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I guess I had this in the back of my mind too. Everyone keeps saying how we'll just fix it after the box set comes out, and Magnolia I know you can do great things with film but this is tough.

OT vs. SE vs. 2004 comparison thread with pics

I've keep saying somehow this will work and I am not sure it will unless. We get the deleted scenes. My god imagine if he show each original scene (cleaned up) with the changed one (e.g. Greedo) and he could do some commentary track on why he made his crappy changes, etc. but we'd have both with the great pciture and sound and then the real OT's could be made. I hope this so much. Otherwise it may look odd and the splice will be fairly obvious.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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For those of us with players that cannot read DVD-R, any chance of a VCD version?

Sorry if this has been addressed before.

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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I've got a suggestion for the dual-layered disc. How about use the video transfer of the '93 LD and have two audio tracks: 93 version and 89 version if you can get the two different transfers to synch right. Also, you could have the EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE crawl and the non-ANH crawl as an option (alternate angles, the prequel DVDs have a Spanish and French crawl as alternate angles at that time). That'd be awesome.


i like that idea a lot!!! rikter, i think it would be very worthwhile to pick up the '89 disc. i purchased one off ebay last week and am waiting for it to arrive. even a straight rip onto dvd would be worth having.

laserman was talking about retromastering the OT onto DL from the official dvds that are coming out. sadly, he hasn't posted in a while nor has he provided his email address. i hope he doesn't forget about us...

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh

laserman was talking about retromastering the OT onto DL from the official dvds that are coming out. sadly, he hasn't posted in a while nor has he provided his email address. i hope he doesn't forget about us...


Would that be like splicing new footage with the old OT footage? Wouldn't you be able to see when it cuts back to the OT, since it would be <DVD quality?
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Would that be like splicing new footage with the old OT footage? Wouldn't you be able to see when it cuts back to the OT, since it would be <DVD quality?

Yes, but wouldn't that be great?

A version including

Han shootin first
Original Mos Eisley
No Jabba scene
Original Yavin Battle
No Wampa BS
Original Cloud City interior
Original Jabba Dance Number
Original Sarlacc
Original Ewok Ending complete with Sebastian Shaw (also original Shaw when the helmet is removed with eyebrows and without the recolored eyes BS)
Original Stormtrooper/Boba Fett voices (assuming they are replaced)
Original ESB Emperor Scene

BUT, also had

New lightsaber effects (when they actuall improve something AKA No Obi-Wan's saber shorting out)
Greatly Enhanced Rancor effects
SE shots like Falcon taking off (several instances), adding more stormtroopers into background, replacing cardboard cutouts with real people, etc. just minor shots that generally improve it
Galactic celebration (perhaps where it shows the planets celebrating, but remains with the Ewok song once it pans back down eh?)
Crystal Clear Digital DVD Transfer (minus neccesary OOT shots/scenes)

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I guess that would be cool. What about the audio track?
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laserman was talking about retromastering the OT onto DL from the official dvds that are coming out. sadly, he hasn't posted in a while nor has he provided his email address. i hope he doesn't forget about us...


Would that be like splicing new footage with the old OT footage? Wouldn't you be able to see when it cuts back to the OT, since it would be <DVD quality?


well, laserman claims he'd be able to color/quality match the scenes up. he does this sort of thing for a living. sweet, eh?

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Could someone explain for us newbs here, what a Dual Layer set will mean for the OT?

I know most retail DVD's are dual layer and I am assuming they hold more data than single layer DVD-R?

Will I notice a difference between the OT on single layer vs dual layer? If so, I'll hold off on my purchase and grab one in a few months or so!

Who here is working on a dual layer set?
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A duel layer DVD can basically hold the amount of two DVDs on a single side of one DVD. It solves the problem of having to walk up to the player and "flip" the DVD when the side runs out. Instead of flipping it, you have what is called a "layer change," which is when the DVD switches between the two layers. This results in a slight pause, which depending on how it's done, can either be well hidden or annoying. In Pulp Fiction, for example, the layer change is placed in the middle of Christopher Walken's fantastic monologue.

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Hal, that completely defeats the purpose of having the ORIGINAL trilogy. If you were going to go for the Original Trilogy in its entirety then I think you'll find that such a feat wouldn't be worth it. You underestimate how many scenes have been altered. All the fades were re-done for the SE for a start. Digitally colouring R2's panels in the space shots in ESB... you'd find it near impossible a task.
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well certainly, if the goal is to return the 2004 edition into a carbon copy of the original release. That however, is not quite the aim. The key here is returning the story to what it once was. Purely cosmetic changes that have no bearing on plot or characters aren't the issue that people have with the SE's. Changes like Greedo shooting first, The Jabba sequence, Luke's scream on Bespin, the new lines for vader replacing "Bring my shuttle" and the new sequence of arriving on the Star Destroyer, The celebration scenes at the end of Jedi; all of these change the film in a much more signifigant way than if Artoo's panels appear blue in outer space now. Of course, there are additions to the film of a cosmetic nature that just suck and should be removed: Sarlacc Pit with beak, new musical sequence in Jabba's palace, Praxis effect on Death Star and Alderaan explosions, New Wampa. Those scenes, however, don't really signifigantly alter the films to the degree that other additions/subtractions do. Which scenes truly add to or take away from the films is, of course, debatable. SOme poeple like the addition of Luke's scream as he falls on Bespin, I think it negates the entire point of the scene. Some people like the sarlacc beak, I hate the bloody thing. Some people like the celebrations at the end of Jedi, I personally find it ridiculous and unrealistic. Some people like having the old Biggs scenes included, others do not.

The point is, that the SE's left alone, suck. However, with some judicous tweaking, they can be turned into films which are as good as, if not superior to the original films. I personally made my own edits of the OT back when the SE's hit laserdisc, and I prefer them to both the OT and the SE. That's just me though. For some, the OT will always be the only way to go, and that's fair enough. Others are more open to changes, as long as they are made to the benefit of the film (ie. the cleaning up of matte lines, cosmetic enhancement, the inclusion of previously cut scenes which add depth to the film). Finally, there are those who will love the SE's because they Star Wars and Lucas can do no wrong.

Personally, I'm all for having the hiqhest quality picture possible, while removing some of the "fixes" that I believe were mistakes. It may not be exactly the OT, but it's the best we can do.

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more to the point of this thread, i wonder if someone could recommend some good capture hardware that is 422 capable and won't cost more than the rest of my rig?

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I'd be curious to know, is it possible to get a straight digital read of a laserdisc? Or does one have to output the analog signal from the LD into a capture device? I seem to recall back in highschool that the science dept had a laserdisc player with a serial port that allowed them to connect a computer to it. What exactly this was for, I don't know, but it seems to me that if we can take the raw data off the laserdisc, as opposed to the analog output, we'd end up with a higher quality product.

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Unfortunately, the only way to extract the laserdisc info is to capture it. I have seen the laserdisc players with the serial ports you speak of in school and in arcade video games of the 80's. Those ports were mainly used to control the functionality of the player itself.
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okay. anybody know anything about the Canopus ADVC series of capture cards? are these 4-2-2? they seem to be well reviewed at videohelp.com. anyone ever use one of these bad boys?

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Yeah, I kinda figured that's what the serial port was for, damnation! Why oh why didn't they make a laserdisc-rom drive for a computer... besides the obvious issues of size, functionality, and such

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A duel layer DVD can basically hold the amount of two DVDs on a single side of one DVD. It solves the problem of having to walk up to the player and "flip" the DVD when the side runs out. Instead of flipping it, you have what is called a "layer change," which is when the DVD switches between the two layers. This results in a slight pause, which depending on how it's done, can either be well hidden or annoying. In Pulp Fiction, for example, the layer change is placed in the middle of Christopher Walken's fantastic monologue.


Dual Layer DVD's hold 2x the amount of data as a single layer DVD, thus reducing the amount of compression needed to fit a whole movie worth of video, audio, menu's, special features, etc. onto a DVD. Less compression equals better picture quality as you can sample the video at a higher bitrate.

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