Hamill was great in Corvette Summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9pmT6JTO4
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
He was also great in the Wing Commander games.
Where were you in '77?
Col. Christopher Blair!
But Hamill's best work is as the Joker. So good.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
Maybe one day, after Nolan's out of the picture but while Hamill is still capable, he'll be cast to play a live-action Joker. Maybe then people'll drop this "Luke Skywalker can't act" schtick and take the man seriously as an actor.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
That's pretty cool.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Maybe one day, after Nolan's out of the picture but while Hamill is still capable, he'll be cast to play a live-action Joker. Maybe then people'll drop this "Luke Skywalker can't act" schtick and take the man seriously as an actor.
I totally want to see that. There's no iron clad rule the Joker has to be young, Nicholson was no spring chicken when he donned the makeup.
Some bat fans think it's a shame Kevin Conroy never got a chance to wear the cape and cowl as well.
Where were you in '77?
Hamill is like Caesar Romero, a classic, manic Joker, but one that would not translate well to a serious live-action film. He would be a better fit than Romero, who was a product of his time to some degree, but I can't see him playing the role outside of animation where you can get away with an over the top performance like that. Because even Jack Nicholson had some subtlty, and he was a much better actor in the first place (not to diss Hamill--I love the guy).
These were SW movies and not intended to win the Oscars. The whole cast was terrific, but MH carried the entire OT.
I'm happy to see that you guys agree with me. (I kind of thought you would.)
I never heard any complaints about his acting during the Star Wars heyday. It wasn't until the '90s that it became "hip" to diss him, ironically right around the time he started kicking ass as The Joker on TV. (Most people didn't know it was him doing the voice.)
To a lesser extent, I've seen similar slams against Carrie Fisher. (Lack of big roles after Star Wars = Bad actress)
Whenever people pull this on forums, I try to set them straight. Thankfully I don't see it very much anymore. I think the prequels showed people what bad Star Wars really was.
Yeah, never mind Carrie is a best selling author.
Harrison Ford apparently can do no wrong.
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
Harrison Ford apparently can do no wrong.
Yeah, him and Brando, princes of mumblers...
evan1975 said:
I think the prequels showed people what bad Star Wars really was.
I think that, more than anything, has helped Hamill and Fisher.
Whenever people diss Hamill I always ask "have you seen Empire Strikes Back"? He practically carries the film, and the majority of his screentime is spent interacting with a literal rubber puppet. The guy gave nearly an Oscar worthy performance and he only has about three scenes where he is face to face acting with another recognizable human being. And I'm not even making that up! -One scene with Ford and Fisher in the hospital -one tiny scene with Dak getting into the speeder for about five seconds -a small bit when he is rescued on the Falcon -and then a reaction scene at the very end of the film.
Everything else is either done over radio, with masked characters, with puppets, or just reaction shots.
zombie84 wrote: the majority of his screentime is spent interacting with a literal rubber puppet. The guy gave nearly an Oscar worthy performance
Don't forget the trash can!
*Insert Oz Oscar here*
Mike O said:
I've always maintained that what they should do is release the OOT in a big giant box, fuck you fanboy, you have to buy the SE and the PT too. There is NO PRICE I WILL NOT PAY if the OOT comes out CORRECTLY, remastered and restored properly.
I'd buy it. But my favorite pipe dream scenario is actually also the cheapest and easiest for LFL. Just do a running change to the blu-ray trilogy that's already out there. (leave the saga set alone, who cares). Just like the quiet repressing of the laserdisc they did in the 90s. Put a sticker or a yellow UPC on the ones with the 3 new discs, just like they did with the defective Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan etc. As far as I'm concerned those trilogy discs really are defective anyway. No need for an expensive ad campaign, word would spread quickly.
zombie84 said:
evan1975 said:
I think the prequels showed people what bad Star Wars really was.I think that, more than anything, has helped Hamill and Fisher.
Whenever people diss Hamill I always ask "have you seen Empire Strikes Back"? He practically carries the film, and the majority of his screentime is spent interacting with a literal rubber puppet. The guy gave nearly an Oscar worthy performance and he only has about three scenes where he is face to face acting with another recognizable human being. And I'm not even making that up! -One scene with Ford and Fisher in the hospital -one tiny scene with Dak getting into the speeder for about five seconds -a small bit when he is rescued on the Falcon -and then a reaction scene at the very end of the film.
Everything else is either done over radio, with masked characters, with puppets, or just reaction shots.
IIRC, Hamill has talked about the isolation he felt during the Dagobah shoot.
Where were you in '77?
Mark Hamill was nominated for a Tony Award for the play Amadeus playing Mozart.
That Hayden Christensen guy is the terrible actor not Mark.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Christensen was good in Life as a House and Shattered Glass.
Just look at Portman - she's terrible in the prequels. I put hers and Jackson's performances at the bottom. Oh God, Samuel L Jackson. "A Sith Lord...?"
shudders
But they're certainly not bad actors by any means. They're quite good in pretty much everything else on their resumes. It's just a combination of the horrible dialogue and people probably saying, "Ah, screw it. I'll just say the lines to make George happy so I can get the hell off this green screen."
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
The prequels had a stellar cast. Really. It's hard to think of a franchise with more gifted actors who were famous before the trilogy was made. In fact, I don't think there is such a series. Maybe the Chris Nolan Batman films but that's about it.
-Ewan McGregor
-Liam Neeson
-Hayden Christensen (was known as "the next big thing" around 2000 when cast)
-Natalie Portman
-Christopher Lee
-Jimmy Smits
-Terrence Stamp
-Samuel L Jackson
Plus you had the fantastic but unknown to Americans Pernilla August, Ian McDiarmid who people didn't realize was as good an actor as he was, and also that girl from Whale Rider is in there. You even have Sofia Coppola and Kiera Knightly in the mix! And Temurra Morrison, who was a big deal in the indie scene.
And wouldn't you know--most of them stink. The casting director--Robin Gurland I think--did an amazing job. Directors would kill to have a cast like that at their command. You could have made the best-acted fantasy film ever made with a cast like that. Instead, almost of all them go down the toilet.
When I was in film school, we had to take acting lessons as part of our directing exercises. And one of the things we learned about was what is known as "self-directing." This can be a problem for some directors, which is why we were learning about it, because sometimes a cast member will just ignore your direction and make their own choices. Well, this is also a skill that actors can use to get themselves out of trouble when your director doesn't know what he or she is doing--and, like real directing, it's an acquired skill that takes years of experience to do well.
No surprise that all the older actors faired pretty well. Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid are old enough to direct themselves when George Lucas just stands there and says "read these crappy lines faster and more intense." But the younger cast--they have no clue. They just do the work and listen to what George says, because they trust him and don't know how to direct themselves. So, if you look at the prequels, it's mainly the over-40-years-old actors that managed to turn in something not too embarassing.
SilverWook said:
The sad part is '97 Jabba looks more like this fellow than the original Jedi puppet. ;)
What is God's name is that!?
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
Mike O said:
SilverWook said:
The sad part is '97 Jabba looks more like this fellow than the original Jedi puppet. ;)
What is God's name is that!?
"Chet", from the 1985 Val Kilmer movie, "Real Genius".
zombie84 said:
Hamill is like Caesar Romero, a classic, manic Joker, but one that would not translate well to a serious live-action film. He would be a better fit than Romero, who was a product of his time to some degree, but I can't see him playing the role outside of animation where you can get away with an over the top performance like that. Because even Jack Nicholson had some subtlty, and he was a much better actor in the first place (not to diss Hamill--I love the guy).
I don't know if using the animated series cast would ever work physically, but I've always found there to be more subtlety in their performances than in any of the live-action films. (Though they are limited to just 22 minute plotlines.) Hamill is about the only person that can pull off both the murderous psychopath and the loony clown and slip in and out of both.
zombie84 said:
When I was in film school, we had to take acting lessons as part of our directing exercises. And one of the things we learned about was what is known as "self-directing." This can be a problem for some directors, which is why we were learning about it, because sometimes a cast member will just ignore your direction and make their own choices. Well, this is also a skill that actors can use to get themselves out of trouble when your director doesn't know what he or she is doing--and, like real directing, it's an acquired skill that takes years of experience to do well.
No surprise that all the older actors faired pretty well. Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid are old enough to direct themselves when George Lucas just stands there and says "read these crappy lines faster and more intense." But the younger cast--they have no clue. They just do the work and listen to what George says, because they trust him and don't know how to direct themselves. So, if you look at the prequels, it's mainly the over-40-years-old actors that managed to turn in something not too embarassing.
You're right, they really have no clue-on both sides of the camera. People cannot think for themselves these days. Just look at poor Christopher Lee and the sheer amount of terrible films he's been in over the years. Yet, even in the worst of them, even being overdubbed by someone else, he maintains such a regal and fascinating presence that it works. Always. If AOTC had simply stopped it's story right at Dooku first confronting Obi-Wan and continued seriously from that point, it would have been saved on every level. Or following Dooku leading his Separatist movement while actually going into the political reasons behind their breakaway...but oh wait that requires actual thought and drama.
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ToscheStation said:
Mike O said:
SilverWook said:
The sad part is '97 Jabba looks more like this fellow than the original Jedi puppet. ;)
What is God's name is that!?
"Chet", from the 1985 Val Kilmer movie, "Real Genius".
Really? I thought it was the makeup test for the never filmed scene in Aliens where the Queen has Hudson's love child. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Uh...that's Weird Science not Real Genius.
I know Val Kilmer has let himself go, but I didn't know how bad it was!
