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Spyder X
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Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
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5-Aug-2004, 8:57 AM
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Originally posted by: joe_H
"Richard Marquand did a great job on directing Return of the Jedi. The only thing that's his "fault" about it is how great it is."

As I said above, maybe you better thank Lucas rather than Marquand. Kershner stated that Lucas directed most of Return of the Jedi. You can look above for the reasons. Do a search for Irvin Kershner interviews. It was an interview with Shock Cinema in which he states Lucas directed most of Jedi, along with his(Kershner's) 2nd unit director filming some other, smaller scenes.

Okay, I guess that makes Lucas responsible for Return of the Jedi being as great as it is. However, he's definitely lost it since then. I'm also wondering why he doesn't also have his name listed as a director if he did most of the directing.

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"George Lucas listens to fans, not in my lifetime!"

Considering how pathetic, mean-spirited, and possessive they've become, why should he.

That's a good point. However, Lucas really brought this upon himself. People didn't start hating him for no reason. They didn't just wake up one day and start saying "Lucas sucks!". He's lost the respect of many people through all of the things he's done. Everything from making really stupid and unnecessary changes (Greedo shooting first, Luke screaming as he fell in TESB, etc.) to saying the original versions don't exist anymore and marketing the box set as the Star Wars Trilogy with no mention of Special Editions or changes whatsoever and so on and so on. All these things have made people lose lots of respect for him, which is why lots of us seem so disrespectful to him and all.

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I've seen these rips, and they are a vast improvement over the '97 SEs. The new Jabba is a huge improvement over the '97 SE Jabba, and it isn't even close.

Yeah, I've seen pictures of the new Jabba. It definitely looks a lot better, although I think there's something wrong about him, that just doesn't look right. I can't seem to figure out what it is. I just know it still looks wrong somehow to me.

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The new dianoga is far better than the old one.

I'm undecided about this change. I don't really care. The new dianoga with its new-looking eye (and slit pupil, rather than a round one) looks cool, but I think the old one was good enough. However, like I said I really don't care about this one.

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The new ending to Jedi is much better than the original, abrupt ending with the silly ewok yub-nub song.

This one I disagree with. I personally liked the old one more. Although as far as the song goes, I really don't care which one it is. I like both of them. But the celebrations don't really make sense. We've had some discussions about this sometime back, but basically it doesn't really make sense for all those planets to be celebrating (especially so soon after the Death Star II blew up - how did they get the news so fast?) because it seems to me that they either weren't under Imperial control and would have no real reason to celebrate, or they were under Imperial control and still wouldn't be celebrating, because there would obviously still be Imperial troops remaining. Death Star II and the Empire's two biggest leaders might have been destroyed, but there would still be lots of Imperial troops left throughout the galaxy on the planets that were under the control of the Empire and I don't think they'd suddenly drop their weapons and run away just because of the destruction of the new Death Star. There would also probably be lots of Imperial bases left throughout the galaxy.

But anyway, that's just my opinion. But that's the major reason I still prefer the old ending.

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The new Emperor change in Empire, is a huge improvement over the original, monkey-eyed emperor.

This one I also disagree with. While it's cool to have the Emperor from Return of the Jedi talking to Darth Vader, I liked the old woman with chimpanzee eyes as well. The old presents a continuity error, but it's still a very cool looking Emperor and I've never really had a problem with it.

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The removal of the scream from Luke's fall is also a great change.

I definitely agree on this one! The scene has a much better effect when Luke falls down silently, rather than going "eeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhoooooohhhhh!" in a voice that isn't even his (it sounds like the Emperor's scream, but longer and slightly different). Definitely glad they're getting rid of it.

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Not to mention all of the other cleaned up shots, including lightsabers. If you complain about these, you need help.

Yeah, the cleaned up shots look good. The quality on the DVDs is also absolutely amazing (from the pictures I've seen, anyway). I just wish the original versions could also be there instead of just the 2004 editions.

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As for replacing Shaw with Hayden. I don't like it. It's half-ass work. I prefer the original.

Yep, I also agree with this. Bring back Shaw!

Anyway, welcome to boards. It's good to find somebody that can disagree with us, but without calling us "whiny fanboys" or insulting/bashing/flaming us in some way.