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asterisk8 said:

Adywan is as close as you can get to a professional while still being a faneditor. I like to think he betters George Lucas in being open to criticism and not just blind praise. Surrounding himself with "yes men" is exactly what made Georgie's prequels so awful (imo).

Exactly my thoughts. I would rather have us nitpick it to pieces and Ady decide he likes it as is than have everyone universally praise everything he does. That way he at least is aware of any perceived issues. I think it should be assumed that we find anything he puts out there to be spectacular and far superior to the Special Editions.

I apologise if I've seemed like I'm "nitpicking". I, along with everyone else here, just want this edit to be the best it can possibly be. There's a tendency with editing to fall in love with changes you've worked hard on even if, stylistically, they might not work. It's very easy to lose sight of goals due to your pride in something and it's only from constructive criticism that things can change for the better in these cases. See: The Great Flipper Debate.

asterisk8 said:

teharri said:

Everyone needs to stop nit picking. Ady, your work is amazing, I cannot wait for the final product!

Adywan is as close as you can get to a professional while still being a faneditor. I like to think he betters George Lucas in being open to criticism and not just blind praise. Surrounding himself with "yes men" is exactly what made Georgie's prequels so awful (imo).

I agree with asterisk8, Adywan is as skilled as any professional, with the advantage that he really loves Starwars as much as we do. He has good taste and his changes are all for the better, but we must also credit the people here that with their feedback help adywan to make it even better.

In the end, it's up to Adywan to accept or reject any input we give here. That said, for the first time (up until now I enjoyed every modification Adywan did) I must say that I also prefer the hud to be more clear, no text in the left side. I believe less is more in that case. But the outline is a good idea IMHO.

I trust Adywan will see our feedback not as nit picking, but as something that can help him to make his work the best it can be. I know that when he gets tired of working with ESB he will simply finish it (no matter how many changes people are still asking) and we will all enjoy it. 

brash_stryker said:

I apologise if I've seemed like I'm "nitpicking". I, along with everyone else here, just want this edit to be the best it can possibly be. There's a tendency with editing to fall in love with changes you've worked hard on even if, stylistically, they might not work. It's very easy to lose sight of goals due to your pride in something and it's only from constructive criticism that things can change for the better in these cases. See: The Great Flipper Debate.

You're right about that. As a game developer and a Fan Editor myself (not editing any movies now, sorry) I always welcome feedback, and I always prefer to hear the ones that suggests improvements or fixes. Sometimes feedback can be hard to accept because we tend to  like what we do (no matter how bad it is).

By experience I know that sometimes only other people can see the flaws in our work. There was one time that people pratically destroyed some graphics I did for a game (just one screen was approved). But through their feedback I could make new graphics that showed to me how bad the first work was.   Thank god their feedback came, otherwise I would have settled for those crappy graphics and would never know how much better it could be.

About the Great Flipper Debate I think of it as something that shows how our process is a lot better than the one GL uses, with his yes men. I know it was painful to some people to debate for so long, but (at least to me) the result was a great improvement in ANH:R. That scene became much better IMHO.

vbangle said:

I like the two rebels that are out in the snow, standing beside the ion cannon when it goes off...they're like "oh sh!t" lol

Yes, the two rebels reacting to the shot was a nice touch. As a matter of fact, everything was great, just the HUD on Vader's chamber needs some fixes, but the rest... OMG. Can't wait to see ESB:R. :)

The displays don't need to be technology moving forward. Maybe technology moving forward is NOT needing the displays to show all of the data in years after the PT.  It would make sense for the rebels to have equipment with displays because their equipment is cobbled together from whatever they can get.  Some of the displays are excellent, the Ozzel scene really needs it's display toned down if one is going to always be part of the scene as the display interferes with what you are supposed to be watching, this is not an improvement.  The displays don't need to be symmetrical.  Maybe when the view screen fires up there could be a lot of display superimposed and it quickly wipes to the margins of the screen to enable Darth Vader to see clearly who he is addressing creating a sense that when you turn it on it defaults to one setting and when you are communicating with other people it clears itself up so the parties involved are able to clearly see each other.

I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, but my thoughts are that if people are going to try to compare it with real world computer operating systems to explain it away, then they miss the point. This is a film set in a fictional scifi universe. We don't need to explain that the computer does other things. We only need to see that it does the one thing we see it do - show the people on the other end of the line. Moreso, why does it even need to be capable of doing anything else? This is his meditation chamber. Somewhere Vader is going to be in isolation and only disturbed if absolutely necessary. It could (and due to that logic, probably should) be JUST a communications viewscreen and nothing else. I don't see Vader needing to monitor reactor levels in there, or compile the Empire's spending reports on Microsoft Excel.

Now don't get me wrong - having a HUD doesn't undermine it being just a screen either, and I very much like the look (though perhaps toned down a bit on the left), but people using the screen's other imagined functions, that we never see, as justification for it being there is tortured logic. 

But if you want to continue with that train of thought and lets say that it was canon that his computer did other things, consider this: I'm on Google Chrome right now writing this post and I just hit f11 to put it into fullscreen mode. There's no taskbar, no address bar, it's the most elegant and minimalist way possible of having just what I need on the screen. Don't you think that in this futuristic universe there'd be a similar approach? Further augmented by AI that does so seamlessly as well?

Again, I have to reiterate that I love the HUD look. The frame gives it that scifi look and you can easily imagine the text on the right representing the video buffering. ;-) It's only the bit on the left that's intrusive as it gets in the way unfortunately.

Also, I don't want to be thought of as a nitpicker again, but I'm a little curious what everyone thinks. I've always thought the Executor's engines were more of a true red than an orange. On the off chance that I was just colour blind, I looked it up and Wookiepedia says the engines are red. I just recall the glow being deeper coloured in the original that's all. Can anyone offer their thoughts, even if it's just to contradict me?

wookieepedia ain't canon

No, I know.... it just reflects what other people have observed about the colour, so my curiosity remains valid. Not that a canon source could have invalidated my observation on the colour seeming to have changed a bit. So I dunno what being canon or not has to do with anything here....

All I was looking for is clarification whether it looks more towards orange than it did originally. 

Well I guess the way I remember it isn't THAT much more red. I've just done a quick image to show what I mean. Sorry if people think I've been posting too much/obsessing. It's been a long night to be unable to sleep :-/

adywan said:

I never trust any of the "...pedia's". There is only one shot in ESB where the engines are red and in that shot (the bottom shot) the engines have been added later as you can tell that the lights aren't even turned on (no light reflection on the underside). All other shots the engines are orange. Taken from the GOUT;

 

As for the meditation chamber view screen, i have removed all of the graphics and have just kept the outer detailing. It did look too busy so i'm going to keep those to use in ROTJ:R

That's really great to hear. I guess that one "redder" shot must've stuck in my mind more than the others. 

Great to hear about the screen too. I think you've made the right choice :-D

adywan said:

I never sharpen the video when encoding. I used a different encoder (the main concept h264 built into After effects) because i haven't re-installed all of my programs/ codecs on my new PC yet. Main concept encoder is crap and has always suffered with softening an image both with its Mpeg encoder and its H264 one.

Which encoder do you normally use?

doubleofive said:

New preview clip:

http://vimeo.com/35673497

Ady says the video is 100% complete, while the audio is still temp.

Hey all. Long time lurker, 1st post.

Firstly a massive thank you to Adywan for rebooting my enthusiasm for SW. Your edits are truly remarkable. Loving the latest clip too. Which brought me to wanting more, so gave the brilliant January clip a re-run. One thing that hit me which I never noticed before is a continuity issue starting at 00:48 during the levitation scene. The side shot of R2 shows what looks like a mud covered foot but in the next when R2 hits the ground the mud coverage doesn't seem to match. Apologies if this has been spotted & already discussed. I did read back through a few pages after initial link post & couldn't see anything. Perhaps there are too many mud on feet mismatches throughout the whole Dagobah section to get bogged down with, excusing the pun.

Double Post - Please Delete

Even though the HUD seemed a little barroque in the viewscreen shot, I haver to say that I don't like the idea of just a screen with not even one indicator or blinking light. I guess that a better base than most of cgi-fever PT tech would be the viewscreen shown at the very beginning of TPM, the one inside QuiGonn and ObiWan's shuttle. It has plenty of lights and looks quite retro, actually; one of the very few things that look OTish in PT.

If Ady says he's ok with it being just a viewscreen, of course it's his call.

Greetings!