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TServo2049
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Info Wanted: Blade Runner - color timings; which is the most accurate?
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9-May-2012, 3:21 PM

Aside from the boosted reds, the '92/'97 DC feels more "early 80s color timing" than the Archival transfers. Make no mistake, the Archival versions are obviously better TRANSFERS, and the color is certainly better than the anachronistic Final Cut. However, the color timing and the contrast still seem kind of...off?

Obviously, older video transfers had their own issues with color accuracy. But what I'm trying to say is that to me, it seems like the timing of the film source for '92/'97, and the way the film color was carried over, are more genuinely "early 80s" than the Archival. But maybe that's just me.

As a digression about home video color timing vs. theatrical color timing, I've never seen a completely color-accurate transfer of Ghostbusters, old or new. The 1984 70mm print I saw in 2010 had high contrast, a healthy amount of color saturation, and a sort of subtle yellow-greenish bias (yet with all other colors having very good fidelity and not seeming tinted).

The old transfers were always too bright and/or the contrast was too flat and/or the color was too desaturated; while the modern HDTV and Blu-ray transfers somehow look too flat and too contrasty at the same time. The whole image is too bright, the highlights are horribly clipped, the midtones are dull, and the shadows aren't shadow-y enough (yet the blacks are still crushed!), and while there's a greenish cast, it's a different kind, which makes the image look TOO green when it's not supposed to be. While the Blu-ray has some improvements over the earlier version seen on the 2005 DVD and on HDTV broadcasts, it still has many of the same problems.

The 1999 DVD seems to have more accurate color timing and contrast...or at least the film source did. You can see shadow detail and highlight detail that are clipped out in modern transfers, but the image is too dark and has a sort of red-magenta bias.

You can see differences between the 1999 DVD, 2005 DVD and 2010 Blu-ray here: http://www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/gb1_homevid_compare.htm

For a general idea of how the theatrical prints looked, watch this footage of an 80s 16mm print: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnNfwhloWBY This guy's video camera didn't pick up the full luminance of the projected image, so the yellow-green cast looks much more severe than it actually is, but it seems like the color timing on this print matches to the 70mm screening I attended.

Anyway, the point of this digression was to show how sometimes, NO video transfer matches the theatrical color timing, and the only way to know the true original colors is to project an actual film print with intact color.