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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)

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Since, I finished the Hyperspace Collection AVCHD last year, I'd been intending to release a standard-def DVD of that set, especially given all of the playback problems experienced by some users.  But, life got in the way...weeks turned into months...and I had "misplaced" the raw AVI masters.  So, I decided to leave things as they were.  Between Rebellion and Hyperspace, I was ready to move on to other projects.

About a month ago, I saw a video with political commentator Bill Whittle explaining the motivations behind Lucas' "Greedo shoots first" decision, as well as highlighting a few other comments Lucas had made comparing the Ewoks to the Viet Cong.  Well, it got me even more p***ed off about the official Blu-rays and lit a brand new fire under me to try my hand at GOUT one more (hopefully last) time.

After scouring through my backup hd, I found the raw AVIs for Hyperspace, but down-scaling them wasn't enough.  I wasn't happy with the color correction decisions I'd previously made and I really wanted to fix some of GOUT's bizarr-o problems (missing scanlines on the Emperor and split sabers).  Oh, and I wanted to try and reduce the aliasing a bit more.  But, Hyperspace was a better source to start with than straight-GOUT.

Anniversary Collection is currently a work in progress, though it should be available before the year is out.  If not, I'll need to rename it for obvious reasons ;)

Final specifications are far from being fully determined, but it will be NTSC DVD format, 16x9 enhanced.  Audio will be the same mixes used on the Rebellion and Hyperspace collections.  And, like Rebellion, it will include both the '77 and '81 cuts of Star Wars.

As for special features, I'm undecided...but it will at least have the same extras found on Hyperspace.

So far, I've completed the downscales of the Hyperspace material, improved (slightly) the anti-aliasing, and finished the bulk of the revised color timing (stil tweaking).  Obviously the color changes won't please everyone, but they do please me ;)

Early color comparison screenshots:

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I share your like of the color changes you are working on.  I am glad to see you giving this another go....I still enjoy the Rebellion Collection and am glad I stumbled upon it by accident......Cheers!!!!

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It looks good!  I like how your color changes seem a bit more subdued than some of the others I've seen; many of them tend to, I think, oversaturate it a bit (whether it's the original look or not).  I kind of wish you would do your more recent corrections on an AVCHD as well but I've got a PS3 anyway, so upscaled SD doesn't look so bad.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Definitely looking forward to this!! Screenshots look great btw

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The new colour palette looks nice OmegaMattman.  I only recently learned of and watched the Hyperspace Collection, and I thought it was great.  The colours there may not be what seems to be accepted as theatrically accurate these days, but it looked just like the VHS cassettes I grew up with, so I was very pleased.  That said, the examples above look more natural and would definitely seem to be an improvement.  I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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bkev said:
I kind of wish you would do your more recent corrections on an AVCHD...

I had thought about it...and I may still opt for a separate AVCHD companion set.  After all of the playback problems so many people had with Hyperspace, AVCHD left me a bit uncomfortable.

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I too would like an AVCHD version if possible.  I personally had no issues with playback.

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Not criticizm, just a couple tips for you: If you're aiming for a balanced look, the new screenshots are slightly too green and a bit desaturated. All three movies in the GOUT are desaturated, but after a lot of analyzing of it during my project with dark_jedi, I came to the conclusion that SW might be about 25% less saturated than ESB and ROTJ too.

Good luck with your project!

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I agree about the green look (kind of reminds me of the Lord of the Rings Blu-ray debacle).  One good test is to try to find things that should be white and compare them to actual white.  Do they look white or green? 

I agree with not over-saturating the colors though.  Good luck with the project!

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Thanks to everyone for the input.  Yeah, the current settings are a bit too green.  I'm still tweaking and will post revised samples later this week.

Although, I am still leaning towards increases in both the cyan and yellow ends of the spectrum instead of going purely white-balanced.  When I look at both GOUT and Hyperspace, that's what my eyes tell me are missing.

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Ultimately this is your decision, but I thought that the green tint worked well on your Star Wars shot but not ESB.  I'd be that's me getting into subjective tastes, so take it as you will.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Here are my latest tweaked samples for the previous screengrabs.

 

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Also, here are some early samples of the repaired Emperor hologram (with scanlines) in Empire.  The new source for the hologram is the luma from the "Faces" LaserDisc merged with the chroma from GOUT.  It's then integrated into the Anniversary video master via very generic rotoscoping (cookie cutter effect).  The lastest color revisions have also been applied.

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OmegaMattman said:

I wasn't happy with the color correction decisions I'd previously made and I really wanted to fix some of GOUT's bizarr-o problems (missing scanlines on the Emperor and split sabers).

Nice idea to utilize the detail in the LD to restore some of the scanlines. Might I suggest the TB broadcast of Empire '97 SE, many original fx-shots with much less smear than the GOUT is to be found there, including sabers without those artifacts you mentioned. But then this project becomes something else I guess. When we are talking bizarro problems in the '93 telecine, are you also going to try and tackle these color glitches somehow?

^ everything looks like it should, but in the next frame the lights behind Threepio suddenly switch color:

some moments later when he introduces himself as C-3PO the lights have switched to yet another color:

Similar issues where green turned red/pink can be seen on Vader's belt lights, his first scene in the film comes to mind.

 

the scanlines are gone and the green markings turned pink in this shot:

the TIE lasers turned yellow with a blue outline:

purple laserfire from the Stardestroyer:

 

the Falcon's laser turned green with red outline:

TIE laser glitches:

same thing with this Stardestroyer's lasers:

weird TIE laser again:

Maybe you already know about all these but I thought it was worth mentioning them if not, these color issues is a little mystery to me as similar glitches are seen on other optical effects in earlier transfers as well but in other shots than what was seen in the '93/'95 telecine. Some of these particular ones aren't seen on the PAL THX LD's as far as I know but they had their own color glitches on other shots instead.

What makes it odd, is that it doesn't seem to be a color timing issue, the weird color casts on these opticals seems isolated from the rest of the image which are often fine, only certain opticals are affected like the laser blasts, truly bizarre, it could not be DVNR related either as it appear on DVNR-free sources like the Technidisc pressing in a few scenes as well.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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@msycamore: Interesting! I actually hadn't noticed those things but now that you mention it, the lights on Vader's belt are indeed red when he first appears. Very weird. Could it be some color-noise reduction applied on the films that caused this?

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You read my mind, msycamore.  I'd been planning on fixing the Tie lasers in Empire, but wasn't aware of all that stuff in Jedi.  Nor had I seen those lights in SW behind Threepio.

Unfortunately, I don't have the TBs of Empire or Jedi, just the Flunk edition of SW.  I was planning to use the '04 discs, since I'd just be borrowing from the chroma channels while leaving the luma untouched.  But, I'll have to see about hunting down the TBs.  The more sources, the merrier ;)

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You_Too said:

Could it be some color-noise reduction applied on the films that caused this?

It certainly looks like it but if some kind of color-noise reduction was used, wouldn't other colored objects in the picture have been affected by it as well? that's what's weird, the lasers are affected but the rest of the opticals are always fine. Here's three shots in the Technidisc transfer which shows the exact same kind of artifacts:

And it's not just a case where you can tweak the hue and get the right colors back, the original colors are simply gone.

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You read my mind, msycamore. I'd been planning on fixing the Tie lasers in Empire, but wasn't aware of all that stuff in Jedi. Nor had I seen those lights in SW behind Threepio.

Great thing that I mentioned it then. ;) Looking forward to see if you're able to fix those with your MO, keep up the good work!

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Unfortunately, I don't have the TBs of Empire or Jedi, just the Flunk edition of SW. I was planning to use the '04 discs, since I'd just be borrowing from the chroma channels while leaving the luma untouched. But, I'll have to see about hunting down the TBs. The more sources, the merrier ;)

You can find it on MySpleen, sure it have compression artifacts and DVNR-smear and a red tint but the reason I mentioned the TB Empire is that the original color timing and cinematography is present for the most part compared to the DVD/Blu-ray versions. The most ridiculous thing is that it even has more detail than those versions in some shots, especially on Hoth. It's also the best source available to us for any fx-shots that were later altered, like the Emperor-holo. Some shots actually looks incredibly good on it, recommended.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Thanks for posting all of these screengrabs, msycamore.  I hadn't spotted anywhere near this many color problems.  The guys at Lucasfilm who worked on these original transfers should be embarrassed :/

I just started downloading the TBs on MySpleen.  I'll post some fixed samples whenever I'm able.

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Also, if you have access to the PAL discs of the GOUT, you could restore the few missing frames in the NTSC transfers and get rid of a few interlacing errors, see here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Whats-missing-from-GOUT/post/457549/#TopicPost457549 those missing frames isn't really that important and will just produce additional audio-work, but the interlacing errors is nice to get rid of.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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msycamore said:

Also, if you have access to the PAL discs of the GOUT, you could restore the few missing frames in the NTSC transfers and get rid of a few interlacing errors

Yes, I ordered the 6-disc PAL trilogy to use with my Hyperspace set, mainly for Jedi.  At the time, it was the same price as importing Jedi on its own.

I knew about the interlacing error in Jedi with the few frames of the Ewok, but hadn't spotted those two from Empire.  I wonder if my manual IVTC eliminated them.  I'll go back and check my Hyperspace masters to be sure.

Not sure if I'll fix the missing frames, since I was planning to sync the video up to the audio tracks I used on my Rebellion and Hyperspace sets.  Since I only have the AC3s and not my original WAVs, I really don't want to redo all of my audio from scratch.  A lot will depend on how quickly I can fix the various color and scanline problems.

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OmegaMattman said:

I knew about the interlacing error in Jedi with the few frames of the Ewok, but hadn't spotted those two from Empire.  I wonder if my manual IVTC eliminated them.  I'll go back and check my Hyperspace masters to be sure.

I just discovered that the PAL transfer just repeat the previous frames in its place, so the PAL disc of Empire isn't needed for those interlacing errors.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Just checked my Hyperspace master for Empire and it does have both of those interlace errors.  Can't believe I missed them.  Thanks for pointing out that thread, msycamore.

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By the way, it's probably going to take longer than I thought to get some new samples posted.  Been trying to download the TBs of the '97 trilogy from MySpleen, but seeding has been sporadic at best.  At this rate, it'll probably be a several days before I'm able to start working with them.