Warbler said:
timdiggerm said:
Warbler said:
SilverWook said:
Warbler said:
the only real problem I had with the 2009 movie was the Spock/Uhura relationship. It seems very out of character for a logical and unemotional Vulcan.
Half Vulcan.
again with the half Vulcan stuff. From what I know, Vulcans naturally have emotions. They become logical and unemotional through training and discipline. Therefore, since Spock when through the training and discipline, the fact that he is half human is meaningless.
On the biological level, it may or may not be important. But on the psychological level, it is. He's always known that he's half-human, and thus has some amount of curiosity about his emotions, given that one of his parents doesn't repress. He wants to repress like other Vulcans... but sometimes he wonders.
but would he really wonder to the point of having a romantic relationship?
Well that's the question, isn't it?
timdiggerm said:
SilverWook said:
Uhura was flirting with Spock in "The Man Trap". That scene was cut from syndication prints for decades.
true, but they never ended up in a relationship.
And Vulcan was never destroyed either. This right here is an alternate timeline. The attraction is there, as the characters are mostly still themselves, but differing events result in differing outcomes.
the relationship with Uhura clearly started before Vulcan was destroyed. I also somehow don't see how the destruction of Vulcan would cause Spock to abandon his Vulcan heritage of logic by having a romantic relationship. If anything, I think the destruction of Vulcan would do the opposite. I would think the destruction of Vulcan would make Spock to want to be more Vulcan then ever before. He'd be one of the few Vulcans left, and he'd want the Vulcan heritage culture preserved.
Yes, I can see how the differing timeline can cause Spock to be different, but is this the Spock we really want? A Spock that would engage in romance? I'm sorry I but I prefer the original Spock. I like my Spock logical and and unemotional.
I'm not saying that the destruction of Vulcan caused any of this. As soon as the Romulans show up and destroy the Kelvin, the universe starts to differ. That was my only point here.
timdiggerm said:
SilverWook said:
Spock seemed kind of emotional, and even smiled in "The Cage".
at that time, they were still developing the character.
Clearly you've never run into the fans who rationalize every bizarre inconsistency in TOS into canon. I can talk about this if you want.
please do.
So, in TOS, the crew of the Enterprise is shown as having that Delta-Swoosh on their shirts, and other Federation (if a particular episode is even using that term) crews have different emblems. Cut tot the movies, a decade later, and that delta-swoosh is everywhere. In fact, it's the logo of all Starfleet. Now, one could suppose that this was the new canon, as it makes a lot of sense for all Starfleet to have one logo, and TOS's inconsistencies are to be ignored... or you could suppose that all Starfleet decided to adopt the Enterprise's emblem. For some reason, the latter is considered canon.
In Trek09, in the opening sequence, we see the USS Kelvin, before any timeline-changes take place, existing in (until the Romulans appear) the same timeline as TOS. And the crew of the Kelvin have on their shirts... The Delta-Swoosh. Now, one could suppose that they're finally going the logical route and deciding that was always Starfleet's logo and TOS is just an early inconsistency (see: Spock's emotions in The Cage?)... or you could claim that the Kelvin's emblem was passed on to the Enterprise for whatever reason in TOS and was made the emblem of all Starfleet a bit earlier in the new timeline, in memory of its destruction, blah blah blah blah blah...
Guess which one I've actually seen argued?
Bingowings said:
They are just stuffy Victorian dads with pointy ears and bad hair cuts who allow themselves to go on a murderous rampage every eight years of the long adult life.
This might be the first time I've ever agreed with Bingo.