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Inflatable fun slide gets council into hot water (or should that be cold water?).

^That is exactly what I thought when I noticed the story.

Gaffer Tape said:

Bingowings said:

Inflatable fun slide gets council into hot water (or should that be cold water?).

"In bad taste" to whom?  It's been 100 years.  How many people who remember that are still even alive?  This isn't exactly a case of "too soon."  I guess you could say one of the downsides to Titanic-mania is that so many aficionados over-romanticize it and take the thing personally, as if they had some kind of stake in it.

I'm sorry to have to disagree agree with you, but I think the slide is in bad taste.   Yeah, I know its been 100 years, but still, over 1500 people died in the tragedy.   Yeah, none of the survivors are still alive, but it is still is a tragedy.   There are also descendants of of survivors and descendants of those that died.  I'll bet such a slide isn't funny to them.    Would we ever  consider it acceptable to do something similar in regards to 911?  If you traveled 100 years into the future and saw people and the future create something similar to this slide for 911, are you going to tell me you wouldn't be offended?   I know I would be.    There are many tragedies we wouldn't dare make fun of that happened before Titanic,  why should Titanic be an exception?  

Gaffer Tape said:

No need to apologize for disagreeing.  This could be a fun debate!  I look forward to its continuation!

As for descendants, even the likelihood of children is unlikely. 

I am sure many of the Titanic survivors had children.  It wasn't that long ago that the last survivor passed away.   Also I am sure many of those that died had kids before they died.  Both sets of kids, I am sure, have had kids and so on.   You also forget the descendants that would be around today if Titanic hadn't happened.  I am sure some of the people that died would have had kids if they had survived and those kids would have had kids and so on.   I am sure there are those around today that didn't get to know their Grandparent(s), because they died on Titanic.   I am sure there are still some children of survivors around today(remember some of the survivors were just kids at the time Titanic went down).    I am sure they grew up under parents that had been traumatized by the disaster.   I remember seeing a special about Titanic in the 90's,  they had some of the survivors being interviewed.   Keep in mind this was 80 years after the disasters, then the survivors got to point where they were describing the actual moments of the sinking and the people dying, they got quite emotional.     You don't think some of that has been passed down the generations?  

Gaffer Tape said:

I'm sure there might be a few, and for them I might be able to concede something like that could be in bad taste, assuming it's even supposed to be the Titanic. 

I think we can be pretty sure it is Titanic.   Its quite a coincidence, that boat looks similar to Titanic, is at angle going down like Titanic, and was put there 100 years after the sinking.   IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE TITANIC, there is no doubt.   Also no one has yet to step forward and claim it wasn't supposed to be Titanic.   

Gaffer Tape said:

But any person who could have actually had a direct connection to anybody in the tragedy has to be at least 100 years old. 

read my first response in this post. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Anyone who would actually have any memory of that person would have to be at least a few years older than, probably several years older.  That number has to be pretty slim, if existent at all.  Any other descendent further removed than that... well, I'm sorry, but there's no personal connection, no memories, no tangible emotion to offend. 

I disagree.  I know if I were a descendant a survivor or one who died,  I would take it personally.   I am person that cares about my family history.    Every year my father and I go and clean off the grave marker of my Great Grandfather, to make sure it doesn't get totally covered up by grass and weeds and such.   Neither of us ever knew the man.  But  we still do it, it was was something my father remembers my Grandfather always doing.  When my grandfather passed away, my father decided to carry on out of respect. I will continue to carry out the tradition after my father is gone, and if ever I have a kid, I will bring him a long and encourage him/her to continue the tradition(but not force him/her to do so).     If my Great Grandfather had died a tragedy like Titanic, you better believe I'd it personal if someone were to make light of the tragedy. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Now if someone was directly mocking a person involved in the tragedy,

if you mock the tragedy, you are  in a way, mocking its victims. 

Gaffer Tape said:

 

then I could see the family taking offense.  But to be offended by the use of a tragedy that has no connection to them other than the coincidence of blood ties but no personal connection, well, I don't see any cause for it.

again, read what I wrote above about my Great Grandfather. 

Gaffer Tape said:

 

If we were jumped forward to a future in a hundred years where people don't take 9/11 seriously, I could see people from now being offended.  I wouldn't personally be offended,

I would be offended, as I am sure others would be too.   Not saying you are wrong for not being offended,  but not everyone would react as you do.

Gaffer Tape said:

And that's my point.  We were alive to experience the tragedy.  We remember it.  It has directly affected our lives.  We have a personal stake in it.  People who are getting offended by a toy sinking boat have no personal stake.  Taking us out of our own time is something of a cheat unless we're worried about time travelers from the early 20th century coming here and being offended.  And even then... well, that's what they get for assuming their tragedy is the center of the universe in all time periods.  Might sound callous, but history marches on.  Otherwise people wouldn't be entertained by war re-enactments.

most war re-enactments aren't meant as a way of making light of the war.  They are done as way to make history come alive, if you will.  They are done to educate people about the war.   Most re-enactments are done out of respect. 

Tell me, do you think there will ever be time when it is acceptable to make fun of the holocaust?  How about the slave trade and all the slaves that died on the boat trip over here?  I doubt there will ever be a time when it is acceptable make fun of that.   I realize they are both much much worse than Titanic, but still,  just when is it ok to make light of an old tragedy and when isn't it? 

LexX said:

I like the Titanic ice molds.

*sigh* my god.

Harmy said:

Those ice molds are awesome! I definitely want those! And I completely agree with Gaffer on this one. I mean how can you be offended by something that concerns the death of someone you've never met?

because some of us care about people even if we never meant them. 

Harmy said:

Sometimes it just feels like some people enjoy being offended and so get offended at every opportunity they get. I'd elaborate, but I'll let Stephen Fry do it for me:

Also, let me repeat what I already said before:

if that is demonstrative of what Fry is really like,  I can't I like the guy all that much.   It would seem that Fry doesn't give a damn about anyone else's feelings. 

Harmy said:

People are too f*cking sensitive about these things. Sure, it was a disaster and 1500 people died in the middle of Atlantic one hundred years ago.

But so what? 

that quite a callous thing to say. 

Harmy said:

Approximately one hundred times that many people died in the world yesterday.

and that many plus 1500 died on April 15, 1912.    Just because a lot people die everyday out of illness and old age and natural causes and whatnot,  is no reason to diminish the tragedy of the Titanic.       

Harmy said:

Yeah, approximately 150 000 people die every day - approximately here means that plus or minus 1500 is absolutely meaningless in the grand scheme of things, especially when we're talking 100 years ago.

I'm sorry to try to even remotely argue that the average number of people that die daily, renders things like Titanic and 911 and Holocaust . . . ect meaningless, is the dumbest thing I read on here in long time.  

Harmy said:

^ Lol, I just saw a couple of great jokes about both of these. And a lot of people got offended too. Now, how exactly does it matter that those people were offended?

I am very very tempted to resort to name calling here.  but I won't. 

whatever.  I give up.   Think what you will about Titanic and the rest.   I will continue to think the way I think.

Bingowings said:

It is hysterical this nonsense about the Titanic anniversary (though I'm sure Cameron is pleased).

I don't think the anniversary of the Titanic is a big deal because we truly feel the need to remember those who died. I think it is a big deal in the same way ghost stories are a big deal. Or in the way Amelia Earhart's crash (death toll of 2) is a big deal. It is more the fascination and the intrigue of the story than anything else. I don't think that is in anyway a bad or disgraceful thing, do we really need to make an effort to commemorate every person who has ever died in an unfortunate accident?

The story of the unsinkable Titanic sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic filled with immeasurable riches became a modern day lost treasure story and had entertained and thrilled people for a very long time.

The Dona Paz sucked because a lot of people died, but the story is about as interesting as a car crash. Once there was a boat. Once there was another boat. They collided. It was tragic. Many people perished. So it goes...

The Herold of Free Enterprise was a capsize, even less interesting and intriguing. Again, not to say it doesn't royally suck that lives were lost. 

Accidents happen everyday and lives are lost. But it is a rare occasion that those events are so socking and unbelievable that people still enjoy hearing, talking, and speculating about it 100 years later. 100 years from now the Dona Paz accident will still be something people will have to search wikipedia for, by chance it is mentioned in conversation. 100 years from now we will still be fascinated with the RMS Titanic. The Titanic disaster is legendary, and not without reason.

Tobar said:

I liked how the third sequel tied them all together.

Now there are... four... of them???

^LOL. My thoughts exactly.

CP3S said:

Tobar said:

I liked how the third sequel tied them all together.

Now there are... four... of them???

Wait...are you modifying the best line from TPM or TRM?