Her presence didn't bother me. It's not like she had any lines. (And there are some really goofy looking aliens on the council.) I thought the Yaddle puppet would make a better younger Yoda than Creepy Puppet Yoda(tm) did.
The lack of any females in Yoda's species raises all sorts of questions we really don't want to get into anyway. ;)
Where were you in '77?
*sigh*
CPY, you will be missed...
He's still rocking on Spike for now. Lucas isn't going to let Prequels 2.0 air on tv anytime soon.
Where were you in '77?
And don't forget all those standard DVDs of Episode I.
The puppet Yoda will live on.
“Anakin had those qualities so rarely seen, exuding an unmistakable confidence and yet still able to touch one’s heart in simply knowing how he was so flawed… wounded.”
Now this one, well....
“Anakin had those qualities so rarely seen, exuding an unmistakable confidence and yet still able to touch one’s heart in simply knowing how he was so flawed… wounded.”
In all those long years on Dagobah, Yoda probably ate the wrong mushrooms at least once. ;)
Where were you in '77?
DuracellEnergizer said:
Gaffer Tape said:
Makes me wonder, though. We've seen evidence of Yoda giving Luke lightsaber training in pre-production art for ESB. If they had worked lightsabers into Yoda as far back as that, how would George have "upped the anti" for the prequels in that scenario? Might have been far worse.
Given Yoda the ability to fly. :shudder:
Nah. Already gave that one to R2-D2. Probably would give him a transformation where he grows into a hulking, muscular, seven-foot-tall behemoth, like second-form Freeza.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
cthulhu1138 said:
I know I always wondered what it would look like if Yoda fought Palpatine and all they used were force powers.
That question was answered when I watched HP and the Order of the Phoenix.
Dumbledore vs Voldemort was what I wanted to see happen in ROTS.
but alas no
"And did you tell her about my kidnapping by the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi? That's where it all really began.
It was a terrible experience, possibly the first time in my life I'd felt truly and genuinely terrified. He was half mad with rage - maybe more than half mad - with all of Darth Vader's power and none of his self-control. One of my crewmen he physically ripped to shreds, literally tearing his body apart. The other three he took over mentally, twisting and searing their minds and turning them into little more than living extensions of himself. Me - me, he left mostly alone. I'm still not sure why, unless he thought he might need my knowledge of ports and spacelanes to make his escape. Or perhaps he simply wanted an intact mind left aboard who could recognize his power and greatness and be properly frightened by it.
We headed across the spacelanes, dodging or avoiding the forces gathering against him. [...] Finally, for reasons I still don't entirely understand, we made for a little backwater system not even important enough to make it onto most of the charts. A planet with nothing but swamps and dank forests and frozen slush. A planet named Dagobah.
I don't know if the Dark Jedi expected to be alone down there, but if he did, he was quickly disappointed. We'd barely stepped outside the ship when we spotted a funny-looking little creature with big, pointed ears standing at the edge of the clearing where we'd put down. He was a Jedi Master named Yoda. I don't know if that was his home, or if he had just flown in specially for the occasion. What I do know is that he was waiting for us.
I won't try to describe their battle. Even after forty-five years of thinking about it, I'm not sure I can. For nearly a day and a half the swamp blazed with fire and lightning and things I still don't understand. At the end of it the Dark Jedi was dead, disintegrating in a final, massive blaze of blue fire."
- from Zahn's Vision of the Future
That's approximately what I would have expected. Sort of like if two motherships from Close Encounters were fighting each other.
I definitely thought the Masters were above using physical weaponry.
The Emperor's pure energy even works well within my personal model of Force use, with users like Yoda directly the flow subtly, using mostly normal physical possibilities to influence things, while dark siders like the Emperor just go straight for brute power.
Also note that the Dark Jedi in the story explodes in blue fire the same way the Emperor does in ROTJ.
I miss the pre-prequel inference-based models of SW.
By the way, this is a poster that was sold in the 90s sometime:
Though, while searching for that I also came across this more recent one:
... which actually makes Yoda with a saber look comparatively classy. So I guess it has to do with how it is handled as well. I still prefer the first, in terms of vibe, though.
"Star Wars films are basically silent movies. And they're designed as silent movies, therefore the music carries a -- has a very large role in carrying the story, more than it would in a normal movie." -GL
"NOO! NOOOOOO!!" - Darth Vader
I can see Yoda with a blue lightsaber but the picture above is a dead link, old bean.
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American Hominid said:
"And did you tell her about my kidnapping by the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi? That's where it all really began.
It was a terrible experience, possibly the first time in my life I'd felt truly and genuinely terrified. He was half mad with rage - maybe more than half mad - with all of Darth Vader's power and none of his self-control. One of my crewmen he physically ripped to shreds, literally tearing his body apart. The other three he took over mentally, twisting and searing their minds and turning them into little more than living extensions of himself. Me - me, he left mostly alone. I'm still not sure why, unless he thought he might need my knowledge of ports and spacelanes to make his escape. Or perhaps he simply wanted an intact mind left aboard who could recognize his power and greatness and be properly frightened by it.
We headed across the spacelanes, dodging or avoiding the forces gathering against him. [...] Finally, for reasons I still don't entirely understand, we made for a little backwater system not even important enough to make it onto most of the charts. A planet with nothing but swamps and dank forests and frozen slush. A planet named Dagobah.
I don't know if the Dark Jedi expected to be alone down there, but if he did, he was quickly disappointed. We'd barely stepped outside the ship when we spotted a funny-looking little creature with big, pointed ears standing at the edge of the clearing where we'd put down. He was a Jedi Master named Yoda. I don't know if that was his home, or if he had just flown in specially for the occasion. What I do know is that he was waiting for us.
I won't try to describe their battle. Even after forty-five years of thinking about it, I'm not sure I can. For nearly a day and a half the swamp blazed with fire and lightning and things I still don't understand. At the end of it the Dark Jedi was dead, disintegrating in a final, massive blaze of blue fire."
- from Zahn's Vision of the Future
DuracellEnergizer said:
American Hominid said:
- from Zahn's Vision of the Future
And this is why anybody - anybody but Lucas - should have written the PT.
Fixed. I'm not being facetious. By anybody, I mean anybody who is a qualified writer and knows the lore of SW.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
American Hominid said:
"And did you tell her about my kidnapping by the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi? That's where it all really began.
It was a terrible experience, possibly the first time in my life I'd felt truly and genuinely terrified. He was half mad with rage - maybe more than half mad - with all of Darth Vader's power and none of his self-control.
...
I won't try to describe their battle. Even after forty-five years of thinking about it, I'm not sure I can. For nearly a day and a half the swamp blazed with fire and lightning and things I still don't understand. At the end of it the Dark Jedi was dead, disintegrating in a final, massive blaze of blue fire."
- from Zahn's Vision of the Future
That's approximately what I would have expected. Sort of like if two motherships from Close Encounters were fighting each other.
I definitely thought the Masters were above using physical weaponry.
The Emperor's pure energy even works well within my personal model of Force use, with users like Yoda directly the flow subtly, using mostly normal physical possibilities to influence things, while dark siders like the Emperor just go straight for brute power.
Also note that the Dark Jedi in the story explodes in blue fire the same way the Emperor does in ROTJ.
...
I miss the pre-prequel inference-based models of SW.
I miss it as well. The idea of Dark Jedi to me is so much more interesting than the prequel version of Sith. Especially since each of them didn't need the 'Darth' title.
Dark Jedi - at least - were exactly what it says on the tin: evil Jedi. They didn't need to be anything more complex than that.
With the Sith, though, you expect something more than anti-Jedi. And we got that with the Sith in the Tales of the Jedi comics, who are shown to have a distinct culture apart from the Jedi. Lucas, though, doesn't have a mind for complex things like that; just give them black robes, red lightsabers, juvenile supervillain names, and call it a day.
SilverWook said:
Saber or no saber issues aside, I have to give George one bit of credit. He's kept Yoda's origins shrouded in mystery.
We still don't even know his species in an era where every Cantina creature has a backstory.
A certain bounty hunter lost some of his mystique once we knew way too much about him. ;)
Totally agree with all points here, keeping yoda's origins a mystery is a big plus for me, but de-masking Boba Fett was a big no no for me, he went from a mysterious elusive character to a forma New Zealand soap opera star in the blink of a prequel how is that fair
I find your lack of faith disturbing
I don't know why they changed it, but I can tell you why this wasn't the case in the OT: because it's self-defeating and pointless. Pointless, pointless, pointless. It would be like giving Dumbledore a large staff instead of a wand. Or having the film adaptation of "Return of the King" decided by a swordfight between Aragorn and some physical form of Sauron. I believe they actually considered doing that. Luckily, they didn't, and the LotR films are still a good example of a respectable film adaptation for a book that's difficult to transfer to the big screen without angering lots of fans.
wwsd said:
I don't know why they changed it, but I can tell you why this wasn't the case in the OT: because it's self-defeating and pointless. Pointless, pointless, pointless. It would be like giving Dumbledore a large staff instead of a wand. Or having the film adaptation of "Return of the King" decided by a swordfight between Aragorn and some physical form of Sauron. I believe they actually considered doing that. Luckily, they didn't, and the LotR films are still a good example of a respectable film adaptation for a book that's difficult to transfer to the big screen without angering lots of fans.
It is self defeating to right, and yeah agree it is difficult to adapt works to the big screen.
I find your lack of faith disturbing
I understand the technology limitations of the OT, but who's to say Yoda didnt have another saber tucked away in his shack? I think it would have been cool had there been a scene where he spars with Luke and teaching at the same time. I'd have to go along with the POV that both Yoda and the emperor didnt need sabers in the OT cuz they were beyond them in power. Obviously Sidious felt secure and was arrogant and overconfident in his throne room aboard the DSII, surrounded by Royal guards and troops and in control of Vader, knowing that he masterminded everything he sees. I dont regret either of them carrying sabers in the PT because of the turbulent circumstances at the time. The jedi were still a threat to Sidious as he grew in power. Yoda carried his to help defend the crumbling republic. I think Luca$ should have waited till ROTS for yoda's saber fight, and that being against Sidious. I believe Yoda and Sidious brandishing their lightsabers for the 1st time, against each other would have had more impact. Yoda should've defeated Dooku easily without the saber in AOTC, as I didnt care for that silly duel.
"There's no cluster of midiclorians that controls my destiny!" -Han Solo, from a future revision of ANH
YODA : Your weapons, you don't need them.
Bingowings said:
YODA : Your weapons, you don't need them.
You know, this tells us nothing about how Yoda feels about weapons. There was nothing physically dangerous in the cave, only visions, so of course Luke doesn't need any weapons.
That and wars not making people great.
I got the impression that Kenobi being Jedi Knight his approach to fighting the dark side was martial (he gives Luke a sword moments after meeting him and his first lesson is a fencing lesson).
Yoda, being a Jedi Master takes the weapon away, teaches Luke to face his fears unarmed.
Yoda says Luke must face Vader again to be a Jedi (to face his fear), Ben's ghost thinks Luke must kill his father to win.
Ultimately Luke throws away his weapon as instructed by Yoda and the light side prevails (when the Dark Lord throws an old man down a well).
American Hominid said:
By the way, this is a poster that was sold in the 90s sometime:
Though, while searching for that I also came across this more recent one:
... which actually makes Yoda with a saber look comparatively classy. So I guess it has to do with how it is handled as well. I still prefer the first, in terms of vibe, though.
that looks pretty cool.
a lot of people like the ROTS poster, but i dislike how it shows yoda tucked in the corner jumping out with the lightsaber. the yoda in the second image would have looked better.