msycamore said:
Gregatron said:
The deactivation sound appears to be there in the GOUT and the earlier mixes, but it's just buried much deeper in the mix.
Are you absolutely sure about this? because I definitely cannot hear it in either the original Dolby Stereo or the remastered '93 track.
Gregatron said:
Also, the SE mixes seem to have it come earlier in the shot, when the saber is still seen to be lit. So, this error seems to have been introduced for the SE, whereas the original got it right.
I'm a little confused by your description. Luke's saber is seen to be lit all throughout the shot when he runs out of the cave. That's why the deactivation sound of his saber is out of place there in the 70mm mix and SE, but you say that it's there in the other mixes as well, just buried much deeper in the mix, I may be wrong but I cannot hear it.
hairy_hen, I avoided to add those two sounds that appear in the '93 surround until we know for sure they're part of the 70mm audio.
I'm pretty sure. I just checked the GOUT again. It's really, REALLY, REALLY buried in the mix. It's easier to hear the sound on the GOUT's French and Spanish tracks, which I believe are sourced from the 70mm mix. It's nowhere near as prominent as the SE version, however.
After listening to the foreign tracks and toggling back to English, I believe it's there. They're almost totally inaudible, but the hum of the saber and the deactivation sound appear to be there. The music is very loud on the English track, and so the sound effects are almost totally buried.
As for the confusion...
There's a brief moment at the end of the shot where the blade is obscured by Hamill's body, which is where the deactivation sound comes in.
For the 1997/2004 SE, however, the sound effects seem slightly ahead of the picture by a fraction of a second or so (Luke slicing his feet free from the cave ceiling, the saber deactivation sound, etc.). This is probably due to the newly-inserted Wampa shots throwing the sync off slightly when they remixed the scene.
After all, the musical acknowledgments of the saber's Force-movement in the snow (duh-DUH...duh-DUH...duh-DUH) are also way out of sync in the SE version, due to the added footage, and the need to loop and retime the music. It appears that the sound effects were similarly offset from the picture.
In the earlier mixes, the sound was in-sync, so the deactivation is heard at that moment when Hamill's body obscures the blade. In the SE, we hear the sound while the blade is still visible.
Since the next shot features Luke scrambling out of the cave with his saber turned off, it certainly makes sense that they added the deactivation sound into the tail-end of the preceding shot. But the SE seems to have created an "error" where there wasn't one in the original mixes, because now we hear the sound while the blade is still visible.