TServo2049 said:
negative1 said:
TServo2049 said:
That cropping chart is not correct. You stretched a 16:9 TV overscan chart out to 2.35:1.
i agree it might be off.
but we are comparing the gout DVD, which is for TV
and home releases right?
regardless, its a guide for the cropping, and it matches
up pretty well for the amounts most of the time.
The GOUT was letterboxed for 4:3 TVs. Old widescreen transfers followed different rules - they weren't concerned with TV overscan because there was so much black space on the top and bottom.
Sometimes, old widescreen masters were cropped more so the image wouldn't suffer on smaller TVs. Sometimes it was just on the left and right (I know of old laserdiscs of 2.35:1 films that are 2.20:1 or even 2.10:1), other times it was all four sides (also known as "zoomboxing").
That image is not a guide for 2.35:1 cropping. The safe zone boxes are not the right width. It is a guide for 16:9 films on 16:9 TVs - notice that it has a separate line for 2.39:1 letterbox.
And actually, the example images you just posted are about 2.20:1 - shouldn't they be wider?
I'm just kind of confused. I thought that we were comparing the GOUT cropping to the the amount of cropping that would happen in movie theaters - that's why I went to all the trouble of making that chart I just posted.
hmm... so if this is correct, then maybe it wasn't cropped
properly or it was cropped differently than the laserdisc masters?
now i'm really confused.. i don't know what standard they used
in the GOUT for cropping decisions..
as far as aspect ratio goes :
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2:35 : 1 -> should be the final aspect ratio AFTER cropping
since the full frame is never shown..
in my prior screenshots i did not alter
the GOUT images, so they approximately
have a 2.25 : 1 aspect ratio. i then altered
the 35mm frame to match it as well as possible.
maybe this whole process is going to be off..
because no one has ever compared the uncropped picture
to a cropped DVD image... so i'm not really sure which
standards and ratios apply..
i'll post some different comparisons then.
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the other thing is, in the end, even if the aspect
ratios are off..
the actual percentages, and the actual GOUT image
is PROPORTIONALLY always going to look the same
when superimposed. no matter how you stretch it
out, it's still going to cover the same area over the
original frame. and that proportion falls into the 5%-15% range.
later
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