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I was just reading the interview 005 did with Ady back at the end of 2010, and he mentioned adding some comm chatter to the beginning of the battle so it doesn't feel so inserted. I do love the extended Yavin battle, so I hope it doesn't get cut. 

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Tobar said:

I just really hope he reconsiders the editing of Ben's hut. If I could only have one thing from the Purist it would be leaving that scene the way it was originally. 

I can't agree with you at all. The re-edited hut scene makes much more sense in terms of the flow of the conversation. It's one of the best parts of ANHR. 

For me, there's only one thing wrong with ANHR as is: the music in the Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight. I also think comm chatter would be nice in the additional space shots, but I don't know if it is entirely necessary. 

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nightstalkerpoet said:


Is there a comparison video for Ady's version of Bens hut vs original? I'm not sure exactly what was changed.
If I remember correctly, in the original/theatrical version, Luke and Ben talk about Luke's father for a bit, stop to watch Leia's video, then pick up with "YOU must learn the ways the of the Force if you are to come with me to Alderaan." In the scripted/Revisited version, they watch Leia's video, then stop to talk about Luke's father and the Force before deciding to go.

You can see Threepio moving around when he's supposed to be shut down in the original cut due to the rearranging. It was redited because the scripted version made Obi-wan not look in a hurry to rescue Leia since he listens to her message and then sits around gabbing with Luke for a few minutes before bringing it back up. A problem with the theatrical cut could be that they don't watch the message for several minutes, but that could be that they were so busy catching up that they forgot R2 was there at all.

After watching the scripted/Revisited version so often, the original/theatrical edit seems disjointed, as you can now "see" the seams where it was grafted together.

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Not to mention, it makes Ben a bit of a crafty bastard in how he leads in to Luke joining him on his mission.

If there was any minor complaint with the extended Last Battle, it would be the music.  While I loved the visual of the TIE reveal, the EMPIRE march did not fit very well due to its slow nature (especially in comparison to the rest of the LB music).  If there was a way to create or add in music that flowed with the rest of the music in the last act, that would be fantastic.

         

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doubleofive said:

 

nightstalkerpoet said:


Is there a comparison video for Ady's version of Bens hut vs original? I'm not sure exactly what was changed.
If I remember correctly, in the original/theatrical version, Luke and Ben talk about Luke's father for a bit, stop to watch Leia's video, then pick up with "YOU must learn the ways the of the Force if you are to come with me to Alderaan." In the scripted/Revisited version, they watch Leia's video, then stop to talk about Luke's father and the Force before deciding to go.

You can see Threepio moving around when he's supposed to be shut down in the original cut due to the rearranging. It was redited because the scripted version made Obi-wan not look in a hurry to rescue Leia since he listens to her message and then sits around gabbing with Luke for a few minutes before bringing it back up. A problem with the theatrical cut could be that they don't watch the message for several minutes, but that could be that they were so busy catching up that they forgot R2 was there at all.

After watching the scripted/Revisited version so often, the original/theatrical edit seems disjointed, as you can now "see" the seams where it was grafted together.

 

I still disagree. I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.

I'm sure Ady could fix the C-3PO errors with the many skills he picked up during ESB:R, if he wanted to.

But, it's his edit, not mine.

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I think Ady's version of the scene in Ben's hut is great! Ady, please don't revert back to the original for ANHR:HD!

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Princess line gone....awesome

Ady's version of the conversation in Ben's hut....Brilliant, one of my fav changes

Added music....not a big fan

The slowdown of Ben's death...didn't sit right with me

The TIE arrival felt a bit over the top, a bit too showy, and it IS true that theres no comm chatter for WAY too long in this bit

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oh_riginal said:

I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.

Couldn't have said it better.

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oh_riginal said:

I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

I feel the opposite way about this. I feel that the ANH:R version of it gives the feeling that they aren't incredibly close, and thus have been engaged in simple small talk prior to R2's message. Much better than truly attempting to break into the middle of a conversation.

Obi-Wan was sent to watch over Luke, but was probably waiting for a sign of some sort before he acted (giving Luke a lightsaber, etc.) Without hearing the message, Obi-Wan has no reason to blow his cover and act.

After hearing the message, he has to quickly convince Luke to help him. He does so by telling him a bit about his father, etc, hoping to build some more trust. After all, why would someone watching from afar have a close relationship with the person they're watching?

I definitely hope it stays this way.

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Anyone ever notice that one strand of hair sticking out from Tarkin's head when the countdown for firing is at one minute?

It's at 1:52:41.

I know it makes it seem all the more real, but it is funny looking.

Tarkin missed his haircut appointment earlier that afternoon. He had a pressing engagement.

"Too busy. I'm on my way to gets me some rebels."

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After all, why would someone watching from afar have a close relationship with the person they're watching?

There's a word for that ... "stalking". :).  Sorry, I couldn't resist ... you really walked into that one, dincha?

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i have seen some clips on youtube and what i have saw is fantastic!  cant wait to view full movie. 

Well Done!

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Adywan, I love this project!

Man, if Lucas really wanted to update the trilogy, he should really just hire you. There really is no better out there!

I like just about all of the changes. I read about the Obiwan hut dialogue change, and thought I wouldn't care for it... but I really enjoyed it. It actually seemed to flow better than the original. I went back and watched it, and couldn't even tell where the edit was - so well done on that!

The only thing I didn't like at all, was the lightsaber changes when Vader and Obiwan meet.

To me it's very similar to the Solo/Greedo change Lucas made, because it really changes the character of the character. If that makes sense.

That moment is a great illustration of the Good vs Evil idea and gives you some insight as to how the characters are thinking - Vader ready to fight (evil), Obiwan unwilling and defensive (good). Even after he sees Vader he doesn't activate his - only when Vader advances.

I think that changing that around really changes the characters.

Also, seeing Vader just standing there, without saying anything, with his saber already on... it's just a really cool moment.

Anyway, thanks again for all your work. Even if I disagree with that part, I thoroughly enjoy it as a whole. It looks and sounds great, and the rest of the changes are right on! It's incredible!

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EdFarmer said:

The only thing I didn't like at all, was the lightsaber changes when Vader and Obiwan meet.

To me it's very similar to the Solo/Greedo change Lucas made, because it really changes the character of the character. If that makes sense.

That moment is a great illustration of the Good vs Evil idea and gives you some insight as to how the characters are thinking - Vader ready to fight (evil), Obiwan unwilling and defensive (good). Even after he sees Vader he doesn't activate his - only when Vader advances.

I think that changing that around really changes the characters.

As someone who's defended a lot of the changes Ady has made to people who bitched about them, I agree with you 100% on this one.

This, the torture-droid-mini-lightsaber-thing, and the Ep III music in the duel are the only things I legitimately dislike about ANH:R.  (The added slo-mo at the end of the duel bugs me, but I can live with that.)

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Don't forget that Obi-Wan lights up first in Revenge of the Sith.

There is nothing out of character here.

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Tobar said:

oh_riginal said:

I like how they start off chatting, showing that there is a friendship between them before getting to business, so to speak. The script version feels too much like exactly that: a scripted conversation. The theatrical edit drops in on the mid-conversation which, to me, feels more natural and even makes the actors' performances better.

Couldn't have said it better.

I feel this is similar to the majority of the dialogue in the PT. however it is much harder to fix that than ANH, period.

I just feel that it flows better that once Obi Wan is aware of the stakes, he's ready to get down to business instead of beating around the bush. He's an old man and why wouldn't he want to get the ball rolling?

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ChainsawAsh said:

EdFarmer said:

The only thing I didn't like at all, was the lightsaber changes when Vader and Obiwan meet.

To me it's very similar to the Solo/Greedo change Lucas made, because it really changes the character of the character. If that makes sense.

That moment is a great illustration of the Good vs Evil idea and gives you some insight as to how the characters are thinking - Vader ready to fight (evil), Obiwan unwilling and defensive (good). Even after he sees Vader he doesn't activate his - only when Vader advances.

I think that changing that around really changes the characters.

As someone who's defended a lot of the changes Ady has made to people who bitched about them, I agree with you 100% on this one.

This, the torture-droid-mini-lightsaber-thing, and the Ep III music in the duel are the only things I legitimately dislike about ANH:R.  (The added slo-mo at the end of the duel bugs me, but I can live with that.)

 Yup, agreed. The slo-mo and music are what drove me to the Purist, but then I found myself caught between the 2 versions. However, the droid needle hasn't been "lightsabered"....its been given arcing electricity. Not sure why people think its been made into a mini lightsaber....

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It's because of the blue hue.

If Ady decides to just keep the white, it would be perfect.

No need to add any other primary color to it.

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Also, I hope Ady keeps the slo motion death of Obi-Wan because it really shows the detailed work he did there. And we are going to get the audio option of a music or music-less duel.

Really can't ask for more. The best of both worlds.

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Darth Hade said:


Don't forget that Obi-Wan lights up first in Revenge of the Sith.

There is nothing out of character here.
This tortured logic made my head hurt, and not in a good way.

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Darth Hade said:


Don't forget that Obi-Wan lights up first in Revenge of the Sith.

There is nothing out of character here.
I have discussed this with Ady, this is indeed his justification in the change of order. I don't agree and feel that Obi-wan actually failed at his own teaching by using the Force for attack during Episode III, and that I feel he would have learned from his earlier mistake against his old apprentice.

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doubleofive said:

Darth Hade said:


Don't forget that Obi-Wan lights up first in Revenge of the Sith.

There is nothing out of character here.
I have discussed this with Ady, this is indeed his justification in the change of order. I don't agree and feel that Obi-wan actually failed at his own teaching by using the Force for attack during Episode III, and that I feel he would have learned from his earlier mistake against his old apprentice.
Yes, this.

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Darth Hade said:

Don't forget that Obi-Wan lights up first in Revenge of the Sith.

There is nothing out of character here.

Please, purge that film from your mind :) the prequels should match the originals,

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For all the flack the prequels get, RotS has always been held in higher esteem than the other two. So I think it is reasonable to reconcile between that film and the OT, even if I feel Eps 1 and 2 should be made to match the rest.

Rather than use that as a reasoning, I'd point to Yoda telling Luke he must "confront" Vader, giving the impression of initiating a battle.  Also, Obi-Wan stating that if Luke will not kill Vader, "The Emperor has already won". Both statements give reasonable support to a Jedi being the aggressor in a battle. 

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nightstalkerpoet said:

For all the flack the prequels get, RotS has always been held in higher esteem than the other two. So I think it is reasonable to reconcile between that film and the OT, even if I feel Eps 1 and 2 should be made to match the rest.

Rather than use that as a reasoning, I'd point to Yoda telling Luke he must "confront" Vader, giving the impression of initiating a battle.  Also, Obi-Wan stating that if Luke will not kill Vader, "The Emperor has already won". Both statements give reasonable support to a Jedi being the aggressor in a battle. 

I sort of agree. I wouldn't call the Jedi an aggressor, but obviously you don't fight to lose, especially against a Sith--there's quite a lot at stake. And you're right: if the Jedi doesn't confront his enemy full force, then the enemy has already won.

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I don't agree and feel that Obi-wan actually failed at his own teaching by using the Force for attack during Episode III, and that I feel he would have learned from his earlier mistake against his old apprentice.

I don't think Obi-Wan failed at his own teaching; he would have if he'd used the Force for attack during a training exercise, but he was no longer Anakin's teacher at the time of their duel--he was his enemy. When he's fighting Vader, he's fighting to win.