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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
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Originally posted by: alexborn007
I was ok with the McDiarmid change until it became apparent that they changed the dialogue. Too apparent.

This is sad. I understand the continuity thing, but why destroy the creepiness of the scene?!?!?! The original, even in the SE was a chilling scene. Now, it just points out things the Emperor would obviously know since he's in cahootz with Vader. Good bye poignancy.

I was actually tempted to buy the set once I heard the scream had been taken out. That was a nice day...

"Vader: The son of Skywalker must not become a jedi..."

You're not buying it now, though, are you?

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I was close (if the ESB scream was gone, the SE of Empire is pretty harmless) until this change was made so blantantly clear. I'd love for it to be all a funny hoax and we're actually getting the OOT versions in September...yeah...that'd be funny.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
The scream has been taken out. Really I never really disliked this change so I am also neutral towards it being taken out. Still it will appear to those who disliked it so I am happy its gone. I personally like the Emperor change. It does enhance the scene but it is a bit unfair to Clive Revill. I guess this is what this site is for right.

Well, that's cool if you like it. However, I urge you to watch the original scene. The ONLY thing IMO that is added is that rapport between the Emperor and Vader from ROTJ. But seriously...the Emperor is so darn mysterious in the first two films and now he just lays it out with dialogue that is way too wordy. It's perfect how he only fully reveals himself for the final film. I'd be much more comfy with this if they didn't change the dialogue. The Death Star is barely mentioned in ESB...didn't anyone else think that fit the Empire's dictatorship and style of disinformation/deception?

Mr. Revill's dialogue was much more poignant.

"We have a new enemy-- Luke Skywalker."

"We have a new enemy. The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

If we're watching the films from 1-6, like Lucas wants I'm sure, then this is OBVIOUS! The original line works just fine and is great for pacing and mood (plus, Vader and the Emperor know what he really is...the new scene tries too hard to fool us which is a moot point because we know). And if we've decided to show a n00b the OT, then the name will be MEANINGLESS. They'll have to deduce what's going on. Bad idea for a movie where everything was delivered at the perfect moment.

I like the look, and I like seeing McDiarmid back in action as the Vitamin D deprived Emperor.

But:
A) You can't always get what you want (should be the cardinal rule of film making)
B) It screws over a good actor
C) The new dialogue messes with the pacing and as I said before, mystery of the scene.

Just food for thought