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I haven't checked over at TFN but they must be loving these comments by Lucas.  That is the sad thing about the internet is that it has made fans pick sides and defend stupid shit like this.  I guarantee they are continuing to use the old line, "Well, its his movies and he can do what he wants!"  I guarantee if they took a poll of ALL Star Wars fan the majority would want both versions and as much extra material on any boxset because that is the reason you buy a boxset, you want everything!

Just because there are a few extreme people on both sides (a few idiots on our side who have to wish death to Lucas), and (a few idiots on their side who love it when Lucas wont release the OOT), fans like me in the middle have to suffer.  Lucas is actually listening to both extreme sides on the internet (for some reason I have no idea) since he and all of us have never talked face to face!  Just listen to his daughter on Twitter, you can tell she is caught up on internet talk cause she is reciting all the talking points.

As much as I love the internet for the many tools it affords me in life that I didn't have 20 years ago, its pretty destructive because its gives many people a forum to talk and hide behind a computer, and they would talk MUCH differently if we were all face to face.

Sadly, George Lucas has bought into the internet bitching of a few, and lumped us altogether.  Pretty sad if you ask me. 

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Mike O said:

CO said:

This interview furthers my opinion that we will NEVER see the OOT fully restored on any format.   I'm sorry, but the guy has comtempt for this part of the fanbase, and seeing his daughters tweets about the OOT fans too, she won't be releasing the OOT either when she inherits Lucasfilm.

 

Agreed. The battle is over. We've lost. This year all of the 3-D stuff and these interviews just salt the wounds. 

As long as there are prints in private hands, it's not over. As long at there are fan projects keeping the originals alive, it's not over.

The fat lady at Jabba's palace hasn't sung yet.

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Mike O said:

CO said:

This interview furthers my opinion that we will NEVER see the OOT fully restored on any format.   I'm sorry, but the guy has comtempt for this part of the fanbase, and seeing his daughters tweets about the OOT fans too, she won't be releasing the OOT either when she inherits Lucasfilm.

 

Agreed. The battle is over. We've lost. This year all of the 3-D stuff and these interviews just salt the wounds. 

Amen to that too. The problem is that GL is still the spoiled teenager who just wants to drive cars all day, and not maintaining his legacy. The George Lucas we see today was the exact same Lucas from the 70s. He was just as incompetent then as he is now; the only difference is that his incompetence is more transparent than it was back then. The only real reason the first star wars film is an enduring classic is because the editors saved it from being a disaster. And how did GL thank them? By purging them from the official story and taking more undeserving credit. Now the loss of the OOT is all but secured. Han shooting first? Well, GL has thrown that fact down the memory hole. And no one can stop him, as billions of dollars will always nullify the opinions of millions.

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CO said:

Sadly, George Lucas has bought into the internet bitching of a few, and lumped us altogether.  Pretty sad if you ask me. 

I just don't buy that.  There are things he's said that I've never heard anyone say.

"Those fans want Star Wars to be like Terminator."

No one said this.  All we asked for is that the same level of realism from ANH and ESB be maintained and cartoonish slapstick be kept to a bare minimum. 

"Those fans want the prequels to be three movies of Darth Vader just killing people."

No one said this.  All people wanted was to see Obi-Wan's line about Vader hunting down and destroying the Jedi depicted in some manner at some point.  And George screwed it up by showing the Clone Troopers actually killing the Jedi and Vader murdering children when it should have been the other way around.

Now he's saying that people want Han to be a cold blooded killer when no one has said such a thing.

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evan1975 said:

CO said:

Sadly, George Lucas has bought into the internet bitching of a few, and lumped us altogether.  Pretty sad if you ask me. 

I just don't buy that.  There are things he's said that I've never heard anyone say.

"Those fans want Star Wars to be like Terminator."

No one said this.  All we asked for is that the same level of realism from ANH and ESB be maintained and cartoonish slapstick be kept to a bare minimum. 

"Those fans want the prequels to be three movies of Darth Vader just killing people."

No one said this.  All people wanted was to see Obi-Wan's line about Vader hunting down and destroying the Jedi depicted in some manner at some point.  And George screwed it up by showing the Clone Troopers actually killing the Jedi and Vader murdering children when it should have been the other way around.

Now he's saying that people want Han to be a cold blooded killer when no one has said such a thing.

 you forgot the quote where he says fans wanted star wars to be like the matrix ;) these are all just his trademark cop-outs.

copouts, excuses, laziness, selfishness, deceit, dishonesty, greed, incompetance, god complex and cult of personality.

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All of the discussion about what fans "Want Star Wars to be is academic amd is part of the continued bad reputation OOT fans keep foisting upon themselves. All that matters is the OOT. Do I like the PT? No, but I don't like Terminator: Salvation either and big deal, I can watch the first two until I'm blue in the face, they haven't been messed with. The OOT is all that's important and all of this just ads fuel to the long burned-out fire. 

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walking_carpet said:

you forgot the quote where he says fans wanted star wars to be like the matrix ;) these are all just his trademark cop-outs.

copouts, excuses, laziness, selfishness, deceit, dishonesty, greed, incompetance, god complex and cult of personality.

I wonder if we should have some sort of well-sourced, bulletproof rebuttal to point people to with regard to George's talking points and fallacies.  So many people take him at face value. It's bad enough when Lucas fanboys believe the revisionism, but it's especially troubling when journalists do it.

Something brief  akin to a FAQ that dispells the myths, but not so dense that people will go "tl;dr".

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thecolorsblend said:

So Lucas is trying to convince us that a CGI Yoda who just sits around and has one walking shot was impossible to do in the same movie that has a CGI Jar Jar?

Well yeah.

It's not as if he was spinning around doing kung-fu monkey moves like... Keanu Reeves or something.

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evan1975 said:

walking_carpet said:

you forgot the quote where he says fans wanted star wars to be like the matrix ;) these are all just his trademark cop-outs.

copouts, excuses, laziness, selfishness, deceit, dishonesty, greed, incompetance, god complex and cult of personality.

I wonder if we should have some sort of well-sourced, bulletproof rebuttal to point people to with regard to George's talking points and fallacies.  So many people take him at face value. It's bad enough when Lucas fanboys believe the revisionism, but it's especially troubling when journalists do it.

Something brief  akin to a FAQ that dispells the myths, but not so dense that people will go "tl;dr".

 Secret History of Star Wars is a good start.  It wouldn't be easy but it can be done - they guy has done more 'interviews' than every filmmaker in history combined.

In one of the 70s articles, he said SW was for 14 year olds.  that would conflict with what he says now about star wars being for little kids.  unless you think 7 year olds and 14 year olds are the same.

its funny he is saying he is improving his movies with technology. How come he never improves Howard The Duck? the big problem with that movie was the duck suit looked fake - why not CGI it?

oh snap...I forgot, a re-release of howard the duck wouldn't make any money.  its not a cash cow that you can just milk, and milk and milk and milk and milk...

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Mielr said:

On a side note, I know of someone who has all 3 SW films on 35mm (he collects 35mm films).


If he has a copy of non-SE Jedi, ask him if he'd sell/loan his print to someone else to make the transfer.  If he would, I bet we can find one hell of an interested party right here.


I doubt it. I haven't spoken to him yet, but the fact that he works at a place that has a telecine and he hasn't used it for that purpose yet, says a lot. He could go in there in the middle of the night and do it without anyone knowing, but I gather he's just not interested.

Plus, I'm not 100% sure they're even the OOT, but I will definitely ask next time I go in.

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thecolorsblend said:


So Lucas is trying to convince us that a CGI Yoda who just sits around and has one walking shot was impossible to do in the same movie that has a CGI Jar Jar?



Well yeah.


It's not as if he was spinning around doing kung-fu monkey moves like... Keanu Reeves or something.

My point is that it's a bullshit argument and I'm surprised Lucas can make it with a straight face.

Incidentally, I'm now convinced that someday Lucas will CG-pave over the puppet in the original trilogy. Sooner or later, he'll work up the nerve. I have no doubt of it.

 

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.

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Mielr said:

 

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Mielr said:

On a side note, I know of someone who has all 3 SW films on 35mm (he collects 35mm films).


If he has a copy of non-SE Jedi, ask him if he'd sell/loan his print to someone else to make the transfer.  If he would, I bet we can find one hell of an interested party right here.


I doubt it. I haven't spoken to him yet, but the fact that he works at a place that has a telecine and he hasn't used it for that purpose yet, says a lot. He could go in there in the middle of the night and do it without anyone knowing, but I gather he's just not interested.

Plus, I'm not 100% sure they're even the OOT, but I will definitely ask next time I go in.

 

There's a lot of plausible deniability in having someone else do it that you don't get when you do it yourself.  It's really worth a shot.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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evan1975 said:


"Those fans want the prequels to be three movies of Darth Vader just killing people."

No one said this.


Well ... I've actually come across some posts by a few fans who've actually wanted the PT to be like this. It's a very, very small minority who holds onto this view, though.

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Maybe they'd just rather see six hours of Vader killing people than six hours of the PT as it now stands. I could certainly sympathize. I think I'd rather watch six hours of paint drying than the PT as it now stands...

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zombie84 said:

I think a large part of this has to do with the fact that George Lucas isn't a regular, integrated part of society. The world he lives in is not the same as yours and mine. He can't go check out a movie theatre saturday night, or take the subway downtown. He can't just go with a friend to a comedy club, or take a walk around the neighbourhood when he is feeling restless. He can't go window shop on sunday afternoon with his girlfriend, or take his kids to the local baseball game. He's not going to have a conversation with the guy standing next to him in line at the bank, because he doesn't line up at the bank in the first place, and he can't walk into a comic book shop and see what's out this week.

These are all things normal people do, and things that people here do. Mostly, Lucas doesn't go out at all, and when he does it's usually just for work purposes.

Think about that. Think about what that does to a person, and how it affects the way they see the world and how they understand their own culture.

But, in fact, George Lucas the person is hardly a part of 21st century American culture (or any culture, really). He has a sense of it, and memories from the 70s when he could be a free member within it, but he doesn't experience or understand it the way normal people do. It simply isn't possible.

I think that's a big reason why a lot of his views in the last decade or two have become increasingly warped. He's not a lunatic--he just doesn't have a clue. In a way, it's not really his fault, it's simply what happened, and he tried to resist for so long, to his credit--he tried to be ordinary, to not let the fame and fortune change him. 

Normally I would agree, yet for all the other cashed up people in show biz that have forgotten or never knew a "normal life", he grew up as a kid in Modesto to everyday parents.  Yet there are plenty of others in showbiz who have kept a cool head.

While not the greatest example, the immediate one that comes to mind is the late Paul Newman, for all the wealth, he remained a straight shooting bloke, and would happily talk to anyone, and did what he could for charity till the day he died.

By the way, I loved reading your "secret history of star wars" book.

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as a seven year old watching Star Wars for the very first time back in 1977, i never thought for a moment Han Solo was a cold blooded killer, I did however think that he was a character who may or not be trusted, but as far as Greedo was concerned it was kill or be killed, it was the exact same character defining moment as Indiana Jones shooting the arab swordsman after displaying his fancy sword skills in RAIDERS .

as for them not having enough time to do Yoda in CGI for Phantom Menace , the first time around  WTF??  how many secondary Cgi characters appear in that film?  Jar Jar, Boss Nass, Watto, Battle droids,Jabba the Hutt , Sebulba and the entire pod race, and you couldn't find time for YODA??  what a load of bullshit!  

 

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Can't find it now, but someone must be familiar with the behind the scenes video where the LFL cgi artist is working on Yoda for Attack of the Clones. In the video, the artist says he is trying to convince Lucas that Yoda can be done convincingly in cgi. It's as if Lucas has higher standards for Yoda or something. I don't remember Lucas acting all that resistant in the video. But it is very possible Lucas was more resistant since Yoda seems to hold a special place in his heart - he does not authorize exploration of Yoda's backstory or species, for example. It's one thing to respect him for!

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SilverWook said:

The fat lady at Jabba's palace hasn't sung yet.

Don't give Lucas any ideas.

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Mrebo said:

Can't find it now, but someone must be familiar with the behind the scenes video where the LFL cgi artist is working on Yoda for Attack of the Clones. In the video, the artist says he is trying to convince Lucas that Yoda can be done convincingly in cgi. It's as if Lucas has higher standards for Yoda or something. I don't remember Lucas acting all that resistant in the video. But it is very possible Lucas was more resistant since Yoda seems to hold a special place in his heart - he does not authorize exploration of Yoda's backstory or species, for example. It's one thing to respect him for!

IIRC, Lucas was asked about Yoda's species once, and admitted he didn't know, but added that Mel Brooks thinks he's Yiddish. ;)

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More true today than it was in 1987!

Mel really ought to do Spaceballs 3D now. ;)

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walking_carpet said:

I wonder if we should have some sort of well-sourced, bulletproof rebuttal to point people to with regard to George's talking points and fallacies.  So many people take him at face value. It's bad enough when Lucas fanboys believe the revisionism, but it's especially troubling when journalists do it.

Something brief  akin to a FAQ that dispells the myths, but not so dense that people will go "tl;dr".

 Secret History of Star Wars is a good start.  It wouldn't be easy but it can be done - they guy has done more 'interviews' than every filmmaker in history combined.

In one of the 70s articles, he said SW was for 14 year olds.  that would conflict with what he says now about star wars being for little kids.  unless you think 7 year olds and 14 year olds are the same.

I love History of Star Wars, but I'm afraid that would count as "tl;dr" to a lot of people these days.  I guess I'm talking more about making a "fact sheet".

Maybe I'll try slapping something together as an example if I can find the time.

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Sigh. This always makes me sadder and sadder.

All we wanna do is enjoyed officially-licensed restored theatrical editions of the films, George. C'mon, man.

C'mon.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Mike O said:

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This interview furthers my opinion that we will NEVER see the OOT fully restored on any format.   I'm sorry, but the guy has comtempt for this part of the fanbase, and seeing his daughters tweets about the OOT fans too, she won't be releasing the OOT either when she inherits Lucasfilm.

 

Agreed. The battle is over. We've lost. This year all of the 3-D stuff and these interviews just salt the wounds. 

Amen to that too. The problem is that GL is still the spoiled teenager who just wants to drive cars all day, and not maintaining his legacy. The George Lucas we see today was the exact same Lucas from the 70s. He was just as incompetent then as he is now; the only difference is that his incompetence is more transparent than it was back then. The only real reason the first star wars film is an enduring classic is because the editors saved it from being a disaster. And how did GL thank them? By purging them from the official story and taking more undeserving credit. Now the loss of the OOT is all but secured. Han shooting first? Well, GL has thrown that fact down the memory hole. And no one can stop him, as billions of dollars will always nullify the opinions of millions.

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generalfrevious said:
In all honesty, getting over it is our only option.

Fixed.