Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 147

Harmy said:

The colourtiming process was much more difficult then than it is today with digital technology and that's why it couldn't be as perfect as today.

If, by "perfect", you mean "cyan and orange"...

Part of the appeal of pre-digital movies for me is that colors vary almost entirely because of the lighting, just like the real world.  Sure some weird lighting can occasionally make skin tones look greenish or grayish, but that's just like the real world too.  I actually enjoy that.  It's much preferable to having consistent skin tones inside, outside, under flourescent lights, standing next to a big red banner, etc.

Harmy said:

JUST HEARING THE WORD SKINTONE MAKES MY OWN FUCKING SKIN CRAWL!!!

 

Mission accomplished!

Now that this is nearing completion I will sit here on my ass and wait for your version designed specifically for Blu-Ray. If you decide not to make one I'll just stare you down and scream "skintone" over and over again. It will be a Knights Who Say Ni scenario Harmy. 

You_Too said:

And finally, in the "look sir, droids" scene, the hatch in the background is grey.

Can't believe I missed this.  I'm handing in my card right now.

CatBus said:

You_Too said:

And finally, in the "look sir, droids" scene, the hatch in the background is grey.

Can't believe I missed this.  I'm handing in my card right now.

Crap, same here! I'll need to fix that.

And I'll make the transition in that wipe gradual and fix that other thing.

Thanks guys!

Just a question Harmy,  The final movie Is it going to be in one piece? or is it going to be divided by reels? (with the separation marks we saw in the promo clip)

I asked it, because if it's finally with the separation marks and we want to insert later with tsmuxer the dubbings or the subtitles from the GOUT DVD's it's going to be complicated to syncronice them...

About the entire DEED_WP3R1 clip... wov man! It's awesome, everytime it's getting better!!!

Midnight_Trooper said:

I watched it and everything despecialized looks great!

I personally strongly dislike the color timing. In certain shots things are so washed out and/or green that it is jarring. I thought your DeEd 1st Workprint was far superior. Someone with the skills should throw up some comparisons.

Certainly this was markedly different than I'd seen Star Wars look recently, and I was also taken by the washed out appearance of Tatooine, which I think reaches its peak as the sand crawler crests the dune after the "Look Sir, droids" scene.  That scene practically looks as blown out as a Hoth scene it's so bright.  But then I watched it again thinking that this was the desert with the sun glaring down all the time.  Suddenly Uncle Owen's squinty eyes fit a lot better, a lot of stuff did.  It's just blindingly bright out there!

Anyway, that was how I came to love the new color timing.  But it is very very different.  And as far as I'm able to tell I guess I did see it looking like this a long time ago.

Look at those reactions, I'm glad I do it for me to like ;-)

Whether you like the colours or not will always boil down to personal preference, that's why I stick close to my source - some of the colours seemed weird to me at first too but I came to like them and now wouldn't want them any other way.

Also:

@Hostmaster: It's of course going to be in one piece, like V1, this was just a bit of a joke, which I'm a bit surprised no one commented on before :-)

@TServo: Yes, I did :-)

Harmy said:

@Hostmaster: It's of course going to be in one piece, like V1, this was just a bit of a joke, which I'm a bit surprised no one commented on before :-)

 

What a relief!! for a moment I thought it was going to be released with  separation marks... :-)

Harmy said:

Look at those reactions, I'm glad I do it for me to like ;-)

Whether you like the colours or not will always boil down to personal preference, that's why I stick close to my source - some of the colours seemed weird to me at first too but I came to like them and now wouldn't want them any other way.

I'm Sure most of us never watched Star Wars in that way... and sometimes it's weird for us, because we're used to the versions released in VHS, DVD, etc..

But if you're working with a reliable source... You have all our blessings!

Midnight_Trooper said:

I like the green in some places. But overall I strongly dislike the colors. Things seem washed out and tinted. Not natural looking at all. I would not put huge trust in whatever source you are matching to. A proper direction for the colors, sure. But I think its a shame to loose the vibrancy and correct tones you had brought back to Star Wars with your old work in favor of this new dull green look.

Here are some comparisons. 

New on the left, old on the right.

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Beautiful starfield.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/2.jpg

Another great starfield but the planet looks sad compared to the old colors. I wish the black of space could be a bit blacker.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/3.jpg

Very green.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/4.jpg

Good skin tones.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/5.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/6.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/7.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/8.jpg

Leia has lost her glow.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/9.jpg

The next shots are all about sky color and the green tint.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/10.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/11.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/12.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/13.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/14.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/15.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/1.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/Midnight_Trooper/Star%20Wars/16.jpg

 

Overall, I agree with the green being a part of the original look. I just dont agree that it should be so dominating. I like the direction you were previously going in much more and I think that look is truer to the films than a possibly faded and captured in a way unknown (to most of us) piece of film stock.

 

Sorry if that comes across as hostile or that I am picking on you. I know what work you have put in to the research. Just my own feelings on the matter.

 

 

 

It's apparent from your screenshots that there's something wrong with your settings - blacks aren't black in the screenshots from the new WP (even the black bars), which makes everything look faded. If you're using MPC, try rightclick > render settings> reset> optimal render settings.

csl said:

 

An idea came to mind earlier: have you considered "regraining" ? Aside from giving it more of an authentic classic aesthetic, it'd sort of alleviate a big issue with the 2004 Lowry masters which is the grain freezing they suffer from. Grain will stop moving and start moving in the background and it's sort of jarring.

OK, I'll just come out and say it: I did! And I'm not changing it. I added some light grain to the scenes where the static grain was a big issue; the desert sequence until the canyon wipe and the selling the droids sequence. It's there in the last WP and I think it works great.

Also, you could layer on some heavier fake grain to sections that use the GOUT to detract from the lowres murkiness I suppose, could give it a "once lost footage but recovered from worn elements" look to it. Maybe.

I've always been doing this, adding fine grain makes SD upscales look more HD.