Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 47

MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

Well, it is shorter than the Executor, but...thicker.  Personally, if we include it, I think it should be a big ship.  Part of my reason for advocating it at all is because Vader brought the Executor, the Emperor would bring his big bad boy and flaunt his capital ship.  If it's going to be a small ship, I'd honestly rather not include it.

Okay...I'm still for it. GOECLIPSEGO!!!!

I'm actually surprised how many have been at all interested in the idea.  I though when I first said it that it would be immediately shot down and trampled :)

This reminds me of the Nimitz and Enterprise in today's aircraft carriers: the Enterprise is the longer ship, but the Nimitz is newer and more massive.

darth_ender said:

I'm thinking these sort of ideas to represent the TIE hangar, but aalenfae pointed out that it would much easier to show an inside-looking-out view.

Pic 2 and pic 5 look the nuts,,, This is basically what I want to see in atleast 1 star wars film.....  It would just be very cool to see... Hope it's this edit

Domoinc has a good head on his shoulders he seems to get to the point on things.... His opinion is well decided and unbiased and although he is not pushy he lays it out bare... @Domoniccobb you'll be pleased to know I did the Coruscant scene because you said you'd like to see somthing of this nature and emanswfan made me decide to go back to it and I sorted out my problems with the executor so hopefully it's up here tonight at 85% and converting... It looks better than anything else because it's the last thing I did and It's the best I had done compositing wise it actually quite good scene.

I have no problem with using the BD 2011 but will we be able to do everything else to match as D said it all needs to be decided when the deleted scenes are done by emaswfan what resolution is he getting a good picture from these scenes 720P or lower we could still downsize the 2011 BD anyway.,,, Also before filming anything too so alot rests on the final outcome of what resoliution the deleted scenes look best at. 

@Darth_Ender it's your fault I did the stuff with the executor... That was your inspiration on to me... Because I have the 3 star destroyers at the begining as in the original.

darth_ender said:

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

darth_ender said:

I know it seems a bit late to be asking this, but what is our source so he knows what colors to match?  I believe we should go with Harmy's Despecialized Edition as he offered.  Obviously we may need to pull bits from other sources, but that should be our primary source and efforts should be made to match.

Is this right, guys?  Should we used the Despecialized Edition, or is there another preferable version for a base?  Hyperspace Edition?  Dark_Jedi's V3?  2004 SE?  2011 BD?

I would say 2011 BD. There are a lot of SE additions that would be useful. We don't want to work from scratch here in terms of updating special effects.

True, but Harmy is upscaling his, isn't he?  But I don't know if his V1 is BD quality or not, and he's only just starting to finish up on ANH V2.  Also, since some of our material may be DVD quality, do we really want to aim for BD quality, or would we rather downsize to match?

I'm referring to actual SE additions, not the quality. Harmy removed useful things like the added space ships and he re-eyebrowed Anakin. 

I guess this is something that would need to be voted on. For example; I like the new palace door, CG Sy Sootles, Han's unfreezing, the bantha herd, blinking Ewoks, improved R2 malfunction, and the celebrations. But many people might not like these. So maybe, depending on the general opinion, we could have a hybrid of sorts. With a color correction of course.  

Bottom line: Either 2011 BD, Despecialized, or both. 

Ronster said:

Domoinc has a good head on his shoulders he seems to get to the point on things.... His opinion is well decided and unbiased and although he is not pushy he lays it out bare... @Domoniccobb you'll be pleased to know I did the Coruscant scene because you said you'd like to see somthing of this nature and emanswfan made me decide to go back to it and I sorted out my problems with the executor so hopefully it's up here tonight at 85% and converting... It looks better than anything else because it's the last thing I did and It's the best I had done compositing wise it actually quite good scene.

I try my best.

Sounds good about Coruscant. I would love to see what you've got.

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

darth_ender said:

I know it seems a bit late to be asking this, but what is our source so he knows what colors to match?  I believe we should go with Harmy's Despecialized Edition as he offered.  Obviously we may need to pull bits from other sources, but that should be our primary source and efforts should be made to match.

Is this right, guys?  Should we used the Despecialized Edition, or is there another preferable version for a base?  Hyperspace Edition?  Dark_Jedi's V3?  2004 SE?  2011 BD?

I would say 2011 BD. There are a lot of SE additions that would be useful. We don't want to work from scratch here in terms of updating special effects.

True, but Harmy is upscaling his, isn't he?  But I don't know if his V1 is BD quality or not, and he's only just starting to finish up on ANH V2.  Also, since some of our material may be DVD quality, do we really want to aim for BD quality, or would we rather downsize to match?

I'm referring to actual SE additions, not the quality. Harmy removed useful things like the added space ships and he re-eyebrowed Anakin. 

I guess this is something that would need to be voted on. For example; I like the new palace door, CG Sy Sootles, Han's unfreezing, the bantha herd, blinking Ewoks, improved R2 malfunction, and the celebrations. But many people might not like these. So maybe, depending on the general opinion, we could have a hybrid of sorts. With a color correction of course.  

Bottom line: Either 2011 BD, Despecialized, or both. 

Ahhh...I see, and I definitely agree that there are many good things about the SE that I want to have remain.  Probably a hybrid is best.  I honestly don't want to put it up for a vote because...well, because then we'll have to vote on every little SE change to keep or discard.  I think we should use Harmy's colors whenever possible, BD for SE changes we want to keep, and hopefully emanswfan can make the deleted scenes match, while TMBTM can do the same for the colorized B/W clips.  If not, the difference may not be that noticeable for at least the short bits, but we may then have to downgrade.  But just looking for a quick consensus, can we go with Despecialized for colors (TMBTM was asking me)?  Thanks.

And yes, I've always valued Cobb's input.  :)

Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

I'm thinking these sort of ideas to represent the TIE hangar, but aalenfae pointed out that it would much easier to show an inside-looking-out view.

Pic 2 and pic 5 look the nuts,,, This is basically what I want to see in atleast 1 star wars film.....  It would just be very cool to see... Hope it's this edit

Domoinc has a good head on his shoulders he seems to get to the point on things.... His opinion is well decided and unbiased and although he is not pushy he lays it out bare... @Domoniccobb you'll be pleased to know I did the Coruscant scene because you said you'd like to see somthing of this nature and emanswfan made me decide to go back to it and I sorted out my problems with the executor so hopefully it's up here tonight at 85% and converting... It looks better than anything else because it's the last thing I did and It's the best I had done compositing wise it actually quite good scene.

I have no problem with using the BD 2011 but will we be able to do everything else to match as D said it all needs to be decided when the deleted scenes are done by emaswfan what resolution is he getting a good picture from these scenes 720P or lower we could still downsize the 2011 BD anyway.,,, Also before filming anything too so alot rests on the final outcome of what resoliution the deleted scenes look best at. 

@Darth_Ender it's your fault I did the stuff with the executor... That was your inspiration on to me... Because I have the 3 star destroyers at the begining as in the original.

Do you mean the Eclipse?

So what I learned while cutting the first half in relation to the script....

1.The cut to luke saying to yoda on Daogobah "I come back to complete my training" is easy enough just need to mute this line but put the music in from yoda theme.

2. Cutting Ben on Dagobah saying "You Must face Darth Vader again" is not good because there is nothing to cut away to as the previous line is on lukes face.

3, Cutting C3PO saying "look there is Han-Solo and he's still frozen in carbonite" is tricky but possible focus needs to be on R2 whilst adjusting the music cues.

Apart from that can't think of much else at the mo regarding parts of the script I tried to follow but decided to leave these cuts as was more work than I already had done.

D... I have the executor pick up palps and then join the fleet around DSII

99%

Hmmm...when I wrote about facing Darth Vader, I thought I'd figured it out.  I'll try to rough it later.

Ok first clip is now up

http://www.mediafire.com/?tey93m2apt5nbdw

Downloading and will watch when I've got a break in class.  And for some reason I thought you were using the Eclipse :(

That's okay, I'm sure it's still great ;)

Ok and another clip here

http://www.mediafire.com/?88rx3i8idls891g

Sorry, I didn't get the chance to watch it yet, but I'll give it a look momentarily.

So I watched it, skimming through parts that were clearly unchanged, but taking time on all the new stuff.  I agree that you did a good job with the Emperor on Coruscant.  That was a cool mockup, and the preview footage that you used for Imperial Palace was especially effective.  I also noticed you updated the Beggar's Canyon bit, which looked good too.  And the opening was fun with sound.  Obviously it's all very rough, but you did a good job and gave a good idea of how such a potential edit could look.  Oh, good job with the Interactive Game audio too.

darth_ender said:

MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

Well, it is shorter than the Executor, but...thicker.  Personally, if we include it, I think it should be a big ship.  Part of my reason for advocating it at all is because Vader brought the Executor, the Emperor would bring his big bad boy and flaunt his capital ship.  If it's going to be a small ship, I'd honestly rather not include it.

Okay...I'm still for it. GOECLIPSEGO!!!!

I'm actually surprised how many have been at all interested in the idea.  I though when I first said it that it would be immediately shot down and trampled :)

This reminds me of the Nimitz and Enterprise in today's aircraft carriers: the Enterprise is the longer ship, but the Nimitz is newer and more massive.

The Eclipse features a lot in Dark Empire, there's likely audio lines referring to the ship should you need any com-channel talk about it. 

Back on the Star Tours topic, I spotted some footage that could be useful. One enterprising fan has created rather a good CGI reconstruction of the ride: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/08/fancreated-cg-version-of-original-star-tours-for-viewing-at-home-in-3d/

Ok as promised the last clip of my work hope you enjoy what I have done....

Why did I do it?

Because I like the way that the structure is but don't want to see another spence edit with loads cut out or loads of stuff unexplained and the pacing being wrong also like where luke goes when they part ways etc so I promised I would do script and storyboarding for this project and that is what I have done...Weather you like it or feel you need to change it.. Shorten it... Expand it.. Ditch it... Build on it or smash it down is ultimatley not my decision

I would like to add though alot of credit does need to go to spence as he was the first to come up with this sort of structure for ROTJ... I am just trying to fix it up a bit and trying not to loose anything of the main characters whilst filling in plot gaps.

I've given it my best shot now it's up to you people who will ultimatly more talented than I with visuals / sound and editing to work the magic, either in this vein or another but my submission is here for reference what happens now I guess is up for final vote.

I wanted to exploit the possibilities of doing ROTJ this way.. And have gone as far as I could with Mine and others ideas or my take on others ideas.

I fell asleep after submitting the second clip I was exhausted racing against the clock to finish this so anyway here is the last part.

http://www.mediafire.com/?c38pn111b5gf1k3

That CGI Star Tours is very interesting, though I don't think its quality is good enough for our edit.  Nevertheless, it is fun.

Ron, I figured that since you live in the UK, you must have been up pretty late working on that.  Thanks for all your hard work.  I'll watch the third clip as soon as possible, but it appears that there is no skipping allowed, so I have to watch every second to make sure I don't miss anything.  Not that I mind, but I'm simultaneously doing homework and probably should watch it for 20 or 30 minutes straight.  But I'll get to it.

Ron, that's looking great.  I can see how much work your putting into this.  The only thing that bothers me is the reusing of previous footage, but I guess there's no other way to do it.

So I've pretty much got the vote ready, but I'm holding off for a few more days.  This vote will be the last.  I will then update the script (if necessary) and hand out assignments.  As soon as that is done, my role here will not be nearly so active.  Today I've really realized how I've put far too much energy into this project (I already know I have, but today it was really striking).  I can't keep neglecting other things.  I've got to step back.  That doesn't mean I won't be around, but I'm serious when I say I will have to be more passive.  My role will largely be assigning and updating.  I love to keep the energy going and the ideas flowing, but we will have to trust the editors to make the right decisions.  Please bear this in mind, and as many of you know that I need to announce to the world my plans in order to help me stick to them, please hold me to this pledge.

I really hope we successfully accomplish this edit.  ROTJ was my favorite of the trilogy as a child, and it will be again if we can get this done.  Please everyone, help me make this possible, and keep the energy going, even when I'm not contributing half the keystrokes in this thread.

So just trying to think of some footage ideas...are the Rebel Assault 2 cutscenes worthwhile?  I looked on YouTube and their quality is low, but is that just because it's YouTube?  If we were to capture the real thing at as high a definition as possible, would it be worth trying to incorporate that into our Endor battle, or are they just too low in resolution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrnuGT5KxnU

emanswfan said:

Ron, that's looking great.  I can see how much work your putting into this.  The only thing that bothers me is the reusing of previous footage, but I guess there's no other way to do it.

I also share this concern about reusing footage but don't take my mock-ups as gospel only that I cannot do CGI and re-used footage as was my only resource available for getting the ideas out and visualised... I would prefer new shots where possible or make some new footage in some cases.... I don't want it to feel like an amalgamation of ANH and ESB with ROTJ.... Thanks for the feedback yes alot of work... But the first half really has bugged me and I saw no other way but to have to do this treatment to... believe I could execute the ideas that were coming to me and not just coming up with BS..

I put the footage that surrounds the mock-ups in for good reason so you would get the feel of the pacing and any issues arising from the extra scenes for example

It's one thing to have an idea completly different to execure it so if you like I have proved some potential....

@Darthender Sorry about the last clip I don't think it exported properly i.e. did not close the file off thats why you csnnot skip I will export it again and replace the link... And thanks for your feedback too!

That would be great.  I was around 15 minutes into it, paused it to do some studying, came back to it, and it set it back to the beginning :(  But I promise I'll get to it, even if you aren't able to export it again.  It really is fun to see some of your ideas in motion, even if I don't see all of them as a perfect fit for our edit.  You have many interesting ideas.

darth_ender said:

That would be great.  I was around 15 minutes into it, paused it to do some studying, came back to it, and it set it back to the beginning :(  But I promise I'll get to it, even if you aren't able to export it again.  It really is fun to see some of your ideas in motion, even if I don't see all of them as a perfect fit for our edit.  You have many interesting ideas.

I am really glad you said that because I had planned to do this post before but had no time....

What I have done is my take but not all my ideas so I wished to do some acknowledgements of how I came to what I have produced.

New Opening scene

Opening Crawl: Darth Ender

Home 1 opens as the first scene : Me

Boba Fett Delivers the plans : Who ever done the mock-up on youtube

Plans Sent via transmission : Bingowings

Bigger Opening : sorry but the name escapes me of the guy that done the previous mock-ups using star trek footage for bothans

Stronger tougher Vader: Mithrandir

Need main characters to make a scene plausible : Bingowings

Vader Lines Interactive Board Game : Darth Ender

Dagobah

Yoda Gives Luke the Crystal : Johannus

Wanted to do cuts from the script but ran out of time sorry D_E :(

Luke goes tatooine / Beggars Canyon

Changes to audio lines :Me

Beggars Canyon Sequence : Me

New audio Lines for Luke : Indirectly but Fishmanlee provided me with inspiration on this

Jabbas Palace

Observed cuts from the script but kept droid torture but cut the stupid tentacle grabbing C3PO: Darth Ender Script amongst others views

Re-Cut Lapti-Nek : Jaita amonst others versions to create this different take.

Drumming in the Rancors Lair: Me but inspired by Fishmanlee and Bingowings wanting more Tribal Arabic music but the street singer did not work :( (yes I tried to do this) so this is what I came up with as a substitute more primative rather than Exotic arabic

Cut Boush / Leia hitting the chimes in the arch while creeping about: Spence

Cutting Boba flirting : Many people agreed on this

Coruscant

revealing the Imperial Palace: Theodo amonst others really wanting to see Coruscant as was intended to be in ROTJ originally

The shot of the imperial Palace big nod to Ralph Mcquarrie : Angel came up with this idea

Executor picks up Emperor: Darth Ender (but I modified from the eclipse)

Sarlac Pitt

Added Music cues from Jerry goldsmith Planet of the apes: Me

Sandworms on Tatooine are normal food for the sarlac: myself but inspired by a youtube video wormsign on tatooine check it out it's quite funny.

Boba Fett Sequence : Kind of listening to everyone in dissaray about what to do about boba remove him keep him in etc so yeah I just wanted to chop his head off whilst giving the coolest star wars character a bigger part in ROTJ

Parting of ways / Lars Homestead

"I need to be alone for a while" : Darth Enders audio cue essentially was the seed to create the scene that I came up with at the Lars homestead instead of hear him say it show it...

Falcon deaparts into Hyperspace : Me and it fell into place naturally also It is a shame that we never saw Han and chewie in the falcon together again in ROTJ so I wanted to fix this one last time as we know them so well as the best of shipmates

Feeling more unsure about lukes psyche : Bingowings amonst others saying they wanted to feel more unsure about luke and I did my best with this when they part ways after the sailbarge is destroyed

So I hope this post helps people not think I am trying to push my ideas alone as many of them have been born from others ideas albeit I did it slightly differently I have been listening whilst trying to come up with this storyboard scripting suggestion very intently and am aiming to mesh alot of ideas together into a cohesive whole So when you say my ideas some of them in fact most of them are actually your ideas?!?

thanks for reading....

Will upload a fixed version of the part 3 in a bit

Edit: There is a problem with the file if anyone can offer up any suggestions would be helpfull it wont close the file off 99% and won't complete

So Rebel Assault II is obviously useless except maybe for some lifting of the audio.  Too bad, because there were some decent cockpit shots in there, if only the resolution weren't so very low.  But from what I've read, the pilots were green-screened in there, so it shows how effective the illusion can be if we have the right costumes.

I'm sorry about your troubles, Ronster, and I don't have an answer.  I'm letting it run through to where I left off, and I'll try to get it done and let you know my thoughts.

So I finished it (I was actually pretty close before pausing it).  Not bad work.  The sandworm idea is interesting, but not obvious enough to indicate a sandworm.  If something like that were shown, I would assume Sarlacc was somehow moving the sand with underground appendages.  The Boba Fett footage is honestly surprisingly good.  If the interaction between Fett and the good guys were something like this, I would be perfectly content.  Obviously the editing would need a little tightening and the special effects would need some improvement, but I really like how it played out.  Good work, Ron!  I will include it in the vote and I truly hope it makes it into the script.

darth_ender said:

So Rebel Assault II is obviously useless except maybe for some lifting of the audio.  Too bad, because there were some decent cockpit shots in there, if only the resolution weren't so very low.  But from what I've read, the pilots were green-screened in there, so it shows how effective the illusion can be if we have the right costumes.

I'm sorry about your troubles, Ronster, and I don't have an answer.  I'm letting it run through to where I left off, and I'll try to get it done and let you know my thoughts.

I fixed it now so please use this link instead for Part 3 I have deleted the other link this has exported correctly.

http://www.mediafire.com/?xnmjj1u8mn9ivqd

after finally watching the whole of my cut as a whole I had a couple more ideas... This conflicts with your script D but I would like to see C3PO with his eye hanging out on the top deck of the sail barge...

Also I was thinking about the briefing and should the plans depict an incomplete DSII or what it would look like completed as Plans would show it in complete form not half built or was it intended to look half built even though it was finished?