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Mid point impressions.

Really digging the story.  Nice that it takes place 10 years after the Thrawn trilogy.  To me, that gives the story and the characters even more depth.  I felt especially EU nerdy (in a good way) that when Karoly and Shada made an appearance, I knew who they were and what their history was.   They were the characters that were directly responsible for me taking a chance on Zahn EU in the first place.

Absolutely loved the Jade & Skywalker "Welcome Aboard" portion of the story.  Jade is even deeper a character than she was in the previous books, which is quite an accomplishment considering how well she was written to start with.

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doubleofive said:

 

theprequelsrule said:


I have a feeling I'm NOT going to like:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Dawn_of_the_Jedi
Let's go back further. I want to see the dawn of life in the Star Wars universe.

 

Well, it's pretty simple OO5, there are two schools of thought in this matter.  One side believes that the Jedi evolved from lower forms of life, such as moisture farmers and smugglers.  The other side believes that there is a mystical omnivorous (as Homer would say) being that created the original two Jedi and put them in the same spaceport without birth control.

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Specter Of The Past

Finished last night.  To quote Newman, from Seinfeld - eexxxceeleent.  I thought the separate stories were handled really well.  You spend a fair amount of time on each, really giving them time to breathe. More than the previous novels, I enjoyed the lengthy government stories.

An aside;  I never had strong feelings about Lando one way or the other.  Liked him in Empire, but gave him little thought after that.  In the Zahn novels, he's become one of my favorite characters. Well written and with substance.  For me, his chapters are right up there with Skywalker and Mara.


[Mild spoiler].
This book felt more cerebral in it's handling of how the New Republic struggles with all its planetary arguing and posturing.  When I think about how we live on a planet where 196 countries can barely get along on a good day (some not even remotely amicable), it makes the New Republic stories even more realistic.  It's us on a much larger scale, but it feels very familiar.  Like us, there aren't always easy answers or fixes when cultures have such fundamental differences. Interesting stuff for sure.
[/Mild spoiler].

 

This novel has a sort of cliff-hanger ending which I really found intriguing. I started Vision Of The Future just moments after I finished it .  Review to come.

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Anchorhead said:


To quote Newman, from Seinfeld - eexxxceeleent.
Mr. Burns would like a word with you.

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Anchorhead said:

Specter Of The Past

Finished last night.  To quote Newman, from Seinfeld - eexxxceeleent.  I thought the separate stories were handled really well.  You spend a fair amount of time on each, really giving them time to breathe. More than the previous novels, I enjoyed the lengthy government stories.

An aside;  I never had strong feelings about Lando one way or the other.  Liked him in Empire, but gave him little thought after that.  In the Zahn novels, he's become one of my favorite characters. Well written and with substance.  For me, his chapters are right up there with Skywalker and Mara.


[Mild spoiler].
This book felt more cerebral in it's handling of how the New Republic struggles with all its planetary arguing and posturing.  When I think about how we live on a planet where 196 countries can barely get along on a good day (some not even remotely amicable), it makes the New Republic stories even more realistic.  It's us on a much larger scale, but it feels very familiar.  Like us, there aren't always easy answers or fixes when cultures have such fundamental differences. Interesting stuff for sure.
[/Mild spoiler].

 

This novel has a sort of cliff-hanger ending which I really found intriguing. I started Vision Of The Future just moments after I finished it .  Review to come.

I'm glad you liked it.  I wish I remembered more about it--haven't read it since it first came out.  The audio version is abridged, unfortunately, and I'm in the middle of Lord of the Rings anyway.  I think I would enjoy it more today with my greater understanding of politics.  At the time I was only in high school and was not interested in that sort of thing much.

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TV's Frink said:

 

Anchorhead said:


To quote Newman, from Seinfeld - eexxxceeleent.
Mr. Burns would like a word with you.

 

Boo-urns!

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Anchorhead said:

An aside;  I never had strong feelings about Lando one way or the other.  Liked him in Empire, but gave him little thought after that.  In the Zahn novels, he's become one of my favorite characters. Well written and with substance.  For me, his chapters are right up there with Skywalker and Mara.

Good point. I forgot how well Zahn handles Lando.

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This is on the shoulders of several people here.  I've reached a new level of nerdiness -  I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.

;-)

 

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Anchorhead said:


This is on the shoulders of several people here.  I've reached a new level of nerdiness -  I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.

;-)
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Anchorhead said:

This is on the shoulders of several people here.  I've reached a new level of nerdiness -  I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.

;-)

 

One of us, one of us, one of us...

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
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Anchorhead said:


I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.


Which one?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Anchorhead said:


I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.


Which one?

 

Lando as a mention only?  Please.  Who do they think went with Karrde to follow the pirate clones and in the process discover Thrawn taking charge again? 

;-)

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Just finished Outbound Flight again and loved it! I think all the prequel stuff is handled really well and the prequel characters don't get much time and in the short time we spend with them in the book, Anakin and Obi-Wan are actually turned into fairly likeable characters. There are also some debates about testing children for Force sensitivity and not a single mention of midichlorians in the whole book. I think Zahn just wanted to tell his own prequel story (as in prequel to his own books) and had to make due with the canon established by GL.

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Hmm, so Spectre/Vision are good? Like, on par with the HEIR trilogy? Interesting, may have to pick 'em up. I had bailed on the books by the time they came out. (I can't be the only person who bought more SW books that didn't get read than did)

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Harmy said:


There are also some debates about testing children for Force sensitivity and not a single mention of midichlorians in the whole book.


Makes sense. Zahn has gone on record saying that he's not fond of the concept.

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Anchorhead said:

This is on the shoulders of several people here.  I've reached a new level of nerdiness -  I created a Wookieepedia account...and I've already corrected an EU mistake.

This might be even more remarkable than the fact that you're even reading EU!

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Vision Of The Future

No spoilers

This is the continuation of the story from Specter.  More good stuff from Zahn.  He really handles Star Wars masterfully.  He's definitely my canon now.  His stuff is just too great to be ignored. 

The Luke\Mara story line was well done.  Reminded me of a sort of  deep\adult take on Splinter Of The Mind's Eye.  Also in keeping with Zahn's universe, this may be some of the best Lando I've ever read or seen. 

Plus, you can't go wrong with a nice side story of Shada and Karoly.  Always well done and, in fact, the two characters who pushed me into going to the Zahn universe earlier this year when I read Hammertong.  It was nice to reconnect with them again.

Two heavy endings, one I knew was probably coming in this novel, one I did not see coming at all.  Hats off to Zahn for taking bold steps with the Star Wars universe. My canon is in good hands.

*Let that one go, Frink.  ;-)

Anyway.  That's it.  Zahn's remaining novels don't appear to be connected, so I'm going with Allegiance next.  I'll probably wait until the week after Christmas, when I have a long flight planned.  Until then, I'm taking a Star Wars break and slowing down a notch with M*A*S*H.

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I recently purchased Allegiance but haven't had time to read it yet.  Let me know how good it is.

I wish I could remember the Hand of Thrawn duology better.  apparently the 11 or 12 years since I read it has been too long to remember.  I do know that I liked how he tried to correct a lot of things with the EU that I too felt were mishandled (Mara, resurrected Palpatine come to mind).

And I like a good game of MASH to wind down as well.  I always hope to get a mansion, drive a limo, and have 12 kids, but it doesn't always turn out that way. :)

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Anchorhead said:

My canon is in good hands.

*Let that one go, Frink.  ;-)
Aww, you spelled it wrong. ;-)

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Allegiance, by Timothy Zahn.

Just started it two nights ago, but absolutely loving it.  It seems to be taking place just after Star Wars, so it very much has a 1977 feel.  Han is who he was in Star Wars and Luke is still somewhat of a thorn in his side.  Han and Chewie feel like they did in the Daley novels.  They still see themselves as smugglers with a ship for hire, even if they are struggling a bit with being respectable and having unofficially chosen a side.  I'm really enjoying reconnecting with a few friends from 35 years ago.

Updates as they occur.

*update*

The story takes place six months after Star Wars.  So far it's three stories. One is our heroes dealing with their differing personalities and whether or not to even stay together as a team. Second is a group of stormtroopers who get themselves into very serious trouble. Third is Mara Jade in her early years serving the Empire. 

One scene - not a spoiler -  Mara runs into Vader while they are both in the Emperor's personal library doing some research.  She's sitting at a computer near him and tries to make small talk.  He dismisses her and goes about his research.  

She thinks to herself about how the few times she's ever been around him, he's always been unpleasant - for no reason in particular.   It's a short meeting, lasts no more than a page or so, and has nothing to do with the story.  However, I really like how it gives the people and the story some depth. Zahn is a master at fully realizing  characters that way.  It was so well written that I could see it as though I were watching it on a screen.

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**Completed.  Review.  Possible spoilers, which I'll mark.

As Zahn has said before, Allegience is about "three different people and groups with allegiance issues".  For me, the best part of the novel is the story of the stormtroopers.  That story is so interesting and so well-written that I'm sorry it wasn't a full novel on it's own.  Fortunately though, it's a huge portion of this one. 

Very interesting idea to have a group of stormtroopers be the center of a story where you see what's under the armor, see them as people with internal conflicts.  Well done from start to finish.  I'd put their story up against anything Zahn has done.  Yeah, that's what I said.

The second storyline deals with our heroes a few months after Star Wars.  I thought this one was handled very well also.  It was nice to be around the characters the way they originally were.  As I mentioned earlier, Han and Chewie feel very Daley-esque, which I'm a huge fan of.  Leia is her original feisty self and Luke is still a gung-ho kid.  It's what I wish we have been given as the sequel to Star Wars.  Good stuff.

The third storyline is Mara in her very early years with the Empire.  She's a tough 18-year-old on a mission.  I've never made an secret of the fact that I think she's the strongest part of the Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand Of Thrawn duology. In those five novels, she and Luke are fantastically handled.  They became my canon for that very reason. In Allegience, I didn't find her nearly as interesting. 

 

*Spoiler*

I didn't find her interesting because everything about her is just a little too perfect. Physical ability, mental ability, combat ability, force-use ability, etc.  She passes through the story flawlessly.  It was her flaws and mistakes in the Thrawn novels that made her so interesting, particularly the Hand duology. 

In this novel she's almost Catwoman-like in her skin tight jumpsuit and acrobatic combat style. I would have found her much more interesting if she had failed occasionally or struggled a bit.  Her years with Karrde in the earlier novels (later in her life) made for a much deeper character. 

However, at eighteen years of age,  life hasn't usually taught people any hard lessons yet.  They tend to be naive, cocky and overly confident.  So in that regard, she's written correctly.  Her naivete' is pointed out and discussed by other characters during the course of the story and that part was refreshing. She has flaws, she just doesn't know it.  Yet.

*End Spoiler*


Overall, I enjoyed this novel a great deal.

I'll start reading Choices Of One tonight.

 

 

 

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I bought it and haven't read it yet.  I really like the timeframe between ANH and ESB, and of course I love Zahn.  Keep me updated!

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Greetings all. I've been reading EU since the Zahn books first came out, though it's been ages since I bought anything new. I absolutely refuse to get involved with anything that takes the PT into account. That said, some EU is definitely more stupid than others. My experience is entirely with novels plus Dark Empire; no video games.

Anchorhead, I'm really glad you've been enjoying Zahn. You're right: he fundamentally understands what makes Star Wars great. He's put parsecs more thought into each of his storylines than GL did for the whole.

The parts of the EU I like:

X-Wing series. Just reread this. Great characters, good humor, and tons of references to the REAL Clone Wars. The references to those who have died serving with Rogue Squadron really helps connect to SW1977.

The Courtship of Princess Leia. A very good one-off. The witches of Dathomir are GREAT characters. It's amazing to see Dark Side users who aren't Sith. That alone makes it worth the read.

Thrawn trilogy. No reasons needed; see Anchorhead's reviews.

Jedi Academy trilogy. The concept of the Maw Installation think-tank seems very realistic, even if some of the characters are silly. Blob-racing is infinitely more entertaining than the pod-racing.

I, Jedi. The first-person perspective is very interesting, and I like the story of Corran's journey. I also like his silver lightsaber.

Hand of Thrawn duology. Zahn is strong in the ways of the Force.

 

I know there's a lot of dislike of the NJO, and I understand why. At the same time, it introduces a real threat to the New Republic and hands them their first real defeats in years. I also like that they're not afraid to kill long-established characters. It sets a sense of worry, and you no longer know for certain that all the good guys will live to the end.

 

Best part of the EU by far: Leia has a red lightsaber.

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Dethryl said:


The Courtship of Princess Leia. A very good one-off. The witches of Dathomir are GREAT characters. It's amazing to see Dark Side users who aren't Sith. That alone makes it worth the read.


Leia's characterization in that novel, IMO, was pretty bad. Overall, I believe the plot of the story read better in the various synopses printed in the guidebooks/websites than in the actual book.

Best part of the EU by far: Leia has a red lightsaber.


I definately agree with this!

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Dethryl said:

The Courtship of Princess Leia. A very good one-off. The witches of Dathomir are GREAT characters. It's amazing to see Dark Side users who aren't Sith. That alone makes it worth the read.

That's just ridiculous.  CoPL is the worst SW novel of them all.  That's even taking the "Jedi Prince" series into account.  At least those books were written for kids... 

Well, I take it back...  perhaps it is The Best SW Novel.  Ever.

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