It's bizarre isn't it?
Once upon a time phrases like "fanatic" and "cult" were attributed to popular culture with irony.
That podcast uses the same language palette as a fundamentalist cleric preaching from a medieval backwater.
I wonder how long it takes before we are blamed for the effects of entropy on George's body?
Hooray, hacky radio AND LFL shilling come together. Two great tastes that taste great together!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDuKgRiHlT4
This was my response to that show:
Hey Jason and Jimmy,
I have to say I'm disappointed by your reaction to that New York Times interview with Lucas. More specifically your jumping on this bandwagon of hating on those who don't agree with everything Lucas has done and lumping everyone into a single category. To me, I see Star Wars fans as divided into four distinct groups. First you have the mega-fans who love everything Lucas has ever done and believe he can do no wrong. Second you have the absolute haters who have given into their anger and just trash the man. Third you have those that love Star Wars but disagree with some of the things done in the special editions BUT wouldn't care one bit about the special editions if the theatrical editions were released alongside the special editions instead of being abandoned. The Fourth group, the luke warm, are those that like Star Wars but it's not something they ever really think about.
The fan editing community and those rabid bile spewers you see infesting the likes of twitter are two totally separate entities. Fan edits are done for a number of different reasons. Some were disappointed with the prequels and want to try and improve them. Others that edit say the OT have no problem with special editions but at the same time don't agree with all of the changes that have been done in the official versions either. Just because they decry certain changes doesn't mean they condemn the idea of a special edition as a whole. This isn't an all or nothing proposition. Only Sith deal in absolutes. Ultimately, this fan divide wouldn't exist if the original theatrical editions were released alongside and in comparable quality to the special editions because then everyone could have what they want and there would be nothing to cause this friction.
I doubt I'll ever hear back from them given the lack of response to my last letter but I figured I should at least give it a shot anyway.
That whole thing about the fanedits is pretty odd isn't it? Everyone who liked the old version better is a hypocrite cutting their own ideal version? The hell? Could that be more of an exaggeration? That's a pretty paranoid and weird leap to make. It's like cokehead logic. (plus I honestly can't think of a single fan edit that isn't intended as an exercise in making a variant of the special edition, totally separate from the original cut preservation issue)
I'm not sure how I found this place. I mostly just lurk anyway. I was reminded just now after someone posted about TPM in 3D on Facebook. Weird. Anyway, I probably found this place through someone disapprovingly calling it "a forum of Lucas haters" or some such. Of course, in fact it turned out to be much better than something so simple.
In any case, I always naturally sympathise with underdogs, critics, etc. I'm not a fan of radical purism or dumb bashing (which this place doesn't do much anyway), but I feel more at home with bashers-who-are-not-really-bashers than with sycophants who really are sycophants.
Sure you'll always be able to find someone saying dumb things somewhere, but A) Nobody cares and B) Even the dumbest Lucas-bashing is better than this:
TV's Frink said:
none said:
The official Star Wars site got a redesign (...tons of shit is Possibly gone...) but they have a section for Fan Sites, this place didn't make it.
<a href="http://www.starwars.com/connect/fan-sites/" target="_blank" title="www.starwars.com/connect/fan-sites/">http://www.starwars.com/connect/fan-sites/</a>
http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/
http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/guest-post-jorge-lacayo/
Buckle up...
And WE have the bad reputation.
Tobar said:
<a href="http://www.forcecast.net/story/home/Weekly_ForceCast_January_20_2012_143166.asp">I think the beginning of this show pretty much sums it up.</a> =/
wwsd said:
Still, I can't help but feel sad about the image of Lucas sitting behind his computer at home, grabbing a coke and some potato chips, sitting down to watch "The People vs George Lucas". "Hmm, I wonder what this is all about... Wait, this guitarist guy thinks I did what to his childhood???" :(
LOL, good one :-)
I thought it was the sequel to Alien Vs Predator :-(
Huh, they actually responded. It starts at 1:41. I do regret leaving in that breakdown, I liked how the letter flowed better when I left it out when I posted it on their facebook page. I actually got a very positive response from others on their facebook page as well.
All of you guys no nothing about star wars you pieces of shite. I am the overlord and you will submit to my will. I know everything and anything about star wars , you guys nothing. kthanxbai.
Troll ban?
^ could but then he'll just be a dick somewhere else. Here's his original introduction:
Considering how polite his introductory post was, I'm of the mind his account has been hacked.
Where were you in '77?
Maybe he was just joking around, or being ironic, or something like that?
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Maybe he just ate a bad mexican.
Bad dates...
Where were you in '77?
Tobar said:
Huh, they actually responded. It starts at 1:41. I do regret leaving in that breakdown, I liked how the letter flowed better when I left it out when I posted it on their facebook page. I actually got a very positive response from others on their facebook page as well.
That was such a load of garbage they offered in response. Do these guys work for LFL? I've never listened to them and don't know their usual bent.
They say they didn't intend to lump haters into the same category as fan editors, even while endorsing the conflation of the two in the article. They even paraphrase the first sentence of the paragraph of the article that did paint fan editors as vitriolic haters.
They then go on to speak for Lucas (which is why I ask if they work for LFL), saying he is offended by fan edits and views them as an "abomination" and "bastardization of his work". They continue - after putting those words in GL's mouth that they are not taking any position on the rightness/wrongness of fan edits.
But GL never said any such things! GL has not pursued his legal rights against fan editors (despite being offended by bastardized abominations) and he has expressed support at least those fans who make their own films based in his universe. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't there a story that he has even seen Ady's Revisited and that he was not offended? In any event, GL was not saying all those things about fan edited films in the NYT article. GL was saying that if fans who hate him can rework his films, why can't they accept that he can also?
But of course that's not the issue and so these guys remain clueless. They put words into GL's mouth and pretend they hold no view whatsoever on fan edits. It was entirely disingenuous.
The blue elephant in the room.
No they're an unofficial podcast but they are buddies with a lot of people at Lucasfilm.
Lucas expressed that he was okay with fanedits years ago, (around the time of the first Phantom Menace edits, IIRC) so I don't know where they are getting this stuff from.
Where were you in '77?
Mrebo said:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't there a story that he has even seen Ady's Revisited and that he was not offended?
Some employees of Lucasfilm have seen it, like Dave Filoni. Never heard of Lucas watching it, though.
BenD said:
I am the overlord and you will submit to my will.
I call shenanigans.
Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked. They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."
Jesus.
Not to mention that they use the excuse that the original versions are still out there in the fan editing community. Let's excuse the fact that people shouldn't have to make their own versions of the ORIGINAL version because the creator won't release them. Let's forget that only tech and internet savvy people can get the original movies. Let's focus on this fact: Weren't they just condemning the fan editing community a few minutes before?
Jesus.
eiyosus said:
Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked. They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."
Jesus.
In GL's point of view.
Alexrd said:
eiyosus said:
Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked. They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."
Jesus.
In GL's point of view.
His point of view is wrong then.
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greenpenguino said:
Alexrd said:
eiyosus said:
Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked. They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."
Jesus.
In GL's point of view.
His point of view is wrong then.
Wrong opinions?
Alexrd said:
greenpenguino said:
Alexrd said:
eiyosus said:
Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked. They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."
Jesus.
In GL's point of view.
His point of view is wrong then.
Wrong opinions?
An opinion is open to moral scrutiny. For instance, I believe that having the point of view that all books should be confiscated and burned, is morally wrong - despite that it is viewpoint that has appeared many times around the world. Similarly, although less dramatic, the idea that preserving a piece of history is "a waste of time", is in my opinion also wrong, for similar reasons. It reveals a surprising lack of respect for the importance of history, education, and the roots of freedom, in the person who said it.
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