They have subtle horizontal lines through the picture that fluctuate, i.e., fade in and out. It is most noticeable on TESB:
That's a screenshot from TESB showing the lines, and here is a screenshot from about a second later where the lines have disappeared:
Those lines appear and reappear about every second throughout most, if not all, of the movie.
Is this just the way the discs are or is there something wrong with mine?
Those lines should not be there. But what caused them I've no idea. maybe it could be that your disc actually is faulty but I would first try it in another player.
That's weird. I was using an old copy of PowerDVD that I've used for years and I've never gotten any lines on a movie like that before. I just tried the GOUT discs with Media Player Classic and no lines at all; thanks.
I wonder what is unique about the GOUT discs that makes the lines happen in this old version of PowerDVD.
My ESB disc has that some issue when I watch it on my regular 4:3 TV.
Oddly, they're not noticeable when I watch it on my widescreen computer monitor.
All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.
MaximRecoil said:
That's weird. I was using an old copy of PowerDVD that I've used for years and I've never gotten any lines on a movie like that before. I just tried the GOUT discs with Media Player Classic and no lines at all; thanks.
I wonder what is unique about the GOUT discs that makes the lines happen in this old version of PowerDVD.
I watched these DVDs again recently, and after looking closely, the lines are still there even with Media Player Classic, though less noticeable than with the old copy of PowerDVD. They are also noticeable when I play the DVDs on my standalone DVD player connected to a standard resolution 4:3 CRT TV, and they are noticeable when I extract them to ISOs, copy to a flash drive, and play on a WD Live TV media player connected to the same TV.
Here is a 1-minute clip containing the scene I posted in the original post (1:1 copy, no recompression from the GOUT source):
https://app.box.com/s/oyuzhr23zgn8rw36p6ph
Can someone watch that and see if they can see those horizontal lines? Also, can someone cut that scene from their copy of the GOUT and post it, so I can see how it compares?
Probably it's the way they're encoded.
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
MaximRecoil said:
MaximRecoil said:
That's weird. I was using an old copy of PowerDVD that I've used for years and I've never gotten any lines on a movie like that before. I just tried the GOUT discs with Media Player Classic and no lines at all; thanks.
I wonder what is unique about the GOUT discs that makes the lines happen in this old version of PowerDVD.
I watched these DVDs again recently, and after looking closely, the lines are still there even with Media Player Classic, though less noticeable than with the old copy of PowerDVD. They are also noticeable when I play the DVDs on my standalone DVD player connected to a standard resolution 4:3 CRT TV, and they are noticeable when I extract them to ISOs, copy to a flash drive, and play on a WD Live TV media player connected to the same TV.
Here is a 1-minute clip containing the scene I posted in the original post (1:1 copy, no recompression from the GOUT source):
https://app.box.com/s/oyuzhr23zgn8rw36p6ph
Can someone watch that and see if they can see those horizontal lines? Also, can someone cut that scene from their copy of the GOUT and post it, so I can see how it compares?
Since I made this thread over 2 years ago, I guess I'd forgotten what version of Media Player Classic I'd used when I said:
"I just tried the GOUT discs with Media Player Classic and no lines at all"
Because with the regular Media Player Classic there are still lines, as I mentioned in my post from a couple of days ago. However, in Media Player Classic Home Cinema, there are no lines at all. Also, if I open the VOB in VirtualDub, there are no lines in the preview window.
This is bizarre. I've never encountered anything like this before, and I've been working with and encoding video files for over 10 years.
I checked again to see if there are lines when playing the actual discs in my standalone DVD player connected to my CRT TV, and there are not. However, these DVDs don't get along very well with my old DVD player, i.e., they briefly freeze in certain spots, which is why I made ISOs of them to put on a flash drive and use in my WD Live TV media player. They never freeze that way, but they show the same lines that PowerDVD and regular Media Player Classic shows on my PC.
Since the lines don't show up in VirtualDub, I assume they wouldn't show up if I encoded these DVDs to AVI files. If I used enough bitrate to avoid macroblocking in motion scenes, I'd probably never notice the difference on my standard resolution CRT, plus I could fit all 3 of them onto my flash drive instead of one at a time (8 GB flash drive). I might have to burn in the alien language subtitles for SW and ROTJ, which is something I haven't done in years (I don't know if the WD Live TV player will recognize a subtitle text file in the same folder as an AVI or not).
What lines? Do you mean interlacing lines or what? I downloaded the sample but I didn't see any problem
pittrek said:
What lines? Do you mean interlacing lines or what? I downloaded the sample but I didn't see any problem
No, not interlacing. Dark horizontal thin lines. In the first screenshot I originally posted in the first post of this thread, you can see them. That was a screen shot taken with PowerDVD version 4.0. Media Player Classic version 6.4.9.1 (revision 114) also produces those same lines. On the other hand, Media Player Classic Home Cinema version 1.7.6 (ebc29cf) does not produce any lines.
This wouldn't be a problem if I only intended to watch these on my PC; I'd simply use Media Player Classic Home Cinema. It also wouldn't be a problem if the actual discs played perfectly in my standalone DVD player that's connected to my TV, because there are no lines that way either, but they don't. It is a problem because my WD Live TV hardware media player that is connected to my TV also produces those lines when playing the ISO images of the DVDs from a flash drive.
As I said, it is bizarre and I've never seen anything like it. What is so special about the GOUT MPEG-2 video streams which makes them produce lines on some playback hardware/software but not on others? I've never encountered any such weirdness with any other MPEG-2 video stream in my life.