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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 128

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Cobra-Kai just demonstrated that the upper values in the left column are biased towards blue and not green, but here anyway is a little trick I did in MS Paint of all things: I took the color values in the left column, but changed the saturation values to those of the corresponding colors in the right column, and here's what I came up with:

Notice that when the saturation is increased, the top four colors in the left column do look less "green." They look like cyan with a blue bias, just as Stinky said he thought the glow should look. Here's my test without the bottom two colors:

I'll reiterate what I said before - I think the main problem with Harmy's version of the wide shot is that the glow is not saturated enough.

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timdiggerm said:

This thread has officially gone beyond any Revisited thread ever.

I just hope my wife doesn't walk in on me while I'm looking at this.  She'll think I'm a nerd or something :)

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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And this is why this thread is awesome! :)

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Cobra Kai said:

timdiggerm said:

This thread has officially gone beyond any Revisited thread ever.

I just hope my wife doesn't walk in on me while I'm looking at this.  She'll think I'm a nerd or something :)

Quickly turn the monitor off and put a throw pillow over your lap. She'll think you were masturbating, which is less embarrassing in the long run.

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OK, so I went into MS Picture Manager to see what happens if I increased the saturation of the first image. Current saturation is on the left, my increased saturation on the right:

Even though the hue is exactly the same in both, my eye sees my tweaked one on the right as more blue than the one on the left. What do you guys think?

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To me it still seems still like a cyan with too much lean towards the green end of the spectrum. I think if it were nudged more firmly towards blue it would improve the stark difference in shades between how it appears in those scenes.

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On the spectrum, those colors are to the left of pure cyan (towards pure blue), not on the right side (towards pure green).

In that Making of Star Wars screenshot mosaic I did, all of the shots have it basically the same hue, and it's more cyan than blue, a lot like my saturation tweak of Harmy's. Consider the possibility that the wide shot is right, and the other shots aren't cyan enough. Notice that when you compare the two screenshots, all of the colors look colder in the second shot, not just the lightsaber. I'm looking at Luke's hair and face - they look colder than in the wide shot.

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I dunno man, when I randomly sampled colors from the saber in that shot as it is now 2/6 of them were green. Doesn't seem right to me.... especially considering all of the random samples from the subsequent shot were definitively in the blue portion of the spectrum.

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Yeah, but only the two that are most inside/brightest, so to the "naked eye" they basically appear white.

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The second to last sample I captured was definitely not in the dead center though and its shade and influence was clearly visible in the appearance of the saber.

Wouldn't that explain why the saber appeared to tend more towards green to myself and some others (especially relative to how it appears in subsequent shots where there isn't anywhere near enough green bias in the saber to make it appear "greenish" rather than blue)?

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OK, I did some quick and dirty, not-really-meant-to-be-accurate futzing with the second image in Picture Manager just to see what would happen to the lightsaber if I played around with the hue to make Luke's skin tone look warmer.

Notice that the saber is now a little closer towards cyan. Still more blue than in the other scene, but perhaps it looked a bit more green in that one shot originally. This tweak is not meant to approximate how the color actually looked, just trying to show that maybe the other shots look *too* blue because the rest of the color isn't warm enough.

So many mysteries...

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I've worked out what the problem is!!!!!

Stinky.....take those bloody goggles off!

J

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TServo2049 said:

OK, I did some quick and dirty, not-really-meant-to-be-accurate futzing with the second image in Picture Manager just to see what would happen to the lightsaber if I played around with the hue to make Luke's skin tone look warmer.

Notice that the saber is now a little closer towards cyan. Still more blue than in the other scene, but perhaps it looked a bit more green in that one shot originally. This tweak is not meant to approximate how the color actually looked, just trying to show that maybe the other shots look *too* blue because the rest of the color isn't warm enough.

So many mysteries...

That looks too warm to me. If you look at the pics Harmy posted of Luke first meeting Obi Wan you can see how, before alteration, they were likewise far too warm. It made skin tones look odd and unusually red and you can see the enormous differences in the appearance of ObiWan's robe between the shots because the imagery was previously too warm. They could perhaps be made a touch warmer, a little more red bias, but nowhere near where they were before. I think that would fix issues like R2's blue appearing purple and the lack of slight rosy highlights on Obi Wan's hand as seen in Verta's reference pic (making it appear slightly yellowish), and without completely changing Luke's skintone and haircolor as it was prior to alteration.

 

 

In those lightsaber caps here are the differences in where they appear in the spectrum, with the leftmost being the top cap the rightmost being the bottom:

It seems to be shifted more towards the green portion of the spectrum in every sample taken on the saber.... by a consistent degree. I think a slight nudge in that scene would improve the appearance of the lightsaber overall and make the difference in hue from a scene-to-scene transition less "grating".

 

Jaitea said:

I've worked out what the problem is!!!!!

Stinky.....take those bloody goggles off!

J

Fuck that. It's the only way to kep bugs out of my eyes when I'm riding my Big Wheel.

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Yeah, as I said, it was just a quick and dirty experiment, like the one Jaitea did earlier in the thread.

Maybe the "warm" color timing evident in Mike's pics made the saber look cyan in cinemas in '77? Maybe that one shot did look a little more "greenish" even back then?

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

That looks too warm to me. If you look at the pics Harmy posted of Luke first meeting Obi Wan you can see how, before alteration, they were likewise far too warm. It made skin tones look odd and unusually red and you can see the enormous differences in the appearance of ObiWan's robe between the shots because the imagery was previously too warm. 

Sorry but that's wrong, the colours are much warmer now then they were in the WP2, including the skintones, the difference is that the skintones are brighter, not less warm, the same goes for the robes.

And come on, make the transition less 'grating'? Those two shots are like a minute from each other, it's not like they immediately follow one another.

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How many frames does this shot have Harmy?

I wouldn't mind recolouring that particular shot...yunno cell by cell

J

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It's about 11 seconds long at 25fps, so it's about 275 frames. But that won't be necessary.

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Jaitea said:

How many frames does this shot have Harmy?

I wouldn't mind recolouring that particular shot...yunno cell by cell

J

 

Personally I think that would be cool.

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

That looks too warm to me. If you look at the pics Harmy posted of Luke first meeting Obi Wan you can see how, before alteration, they were likewise far too warm. It made skin tones look odd and unusually red and you can see the enormous differences in the appearance of ObiWan's robe between the shots because the imagery was previously too warm. 

Sorry but that's wrong, the colours are much warmer now then they were in the WP2, including the skintones, the difference is that the skintones are brighter, not less warm, the same goes for the robes.

And come on, make the transition less 'grating'? Those two shots are like a minute from each other, it's not like they immediately follow one another.

Well, they appear far less "warm" to my eyes but, either way, I think they're better now. When I pop that unaltered image into PS and brighten it up the robe and skintones look still too warm, I thought it looked cooler in tone if anything but whatever you did it looks better than it did before. His skin looked too red, or dark, or something before but looks more natural to me now.

And "grating" in the sense that it appears a certain tone one moment and then very shortly afterwards a different hue altogether.

 

 

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I'm torn. Jaitea's recolored pic looks great, but I still have this gut feeling that the hue in that scene Harmy's current WP is the correct one, desaturated or no. I just don't know if the other shots are too blue, too cold.

It just kills me every time I think about the fact that it's such a mystery how the film originally looked. Practically every moviegoer on the planet saw it, yet things like the color of Luke's lightsaber still feel like such an enigma...

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You cured Obi-Wan's jaundice! :)

Seriously, that looks dead on. Amazing.